The problem with having a gun is if you aren’t prepared to use it someone can take it and turn it against you and your family. An incident that may not require deadly force to resolve becomes one of us or them of an agressor does not back down.
Very happy to live in a society and location that is less violent and where we don’t generally solve confrontations with firearms. But can’t say I wouldn’t act the same if I lived in a dying empire on the verge of social and economic collapse.
It wasn’t over a parking spot at all, but yes one was technically involved. It was an aggressive guy threatening to violate a woman who had kids in her car. She had a gun and the law on her side (every one in the US is familiar with Florida’s stand your ground laws) and he was brave. She could have ticked him off in any way possible, but it was ultimately his anger issues that lead to his death.
He fucked around. He found out. All because he had the selfishness of a toddler.
Isn’t this that FAFO that They love to talk about?
I just hate that she had to kill a person. Any emotionally stable person would be injured by that.
Title is misleading, there was a conflict over a parking space which resulted in the guy charging at her despite multiple warnings so she shot
It wasn’t like she gave him 1 warning and shot him either, he pursued and stalked her, while she retreated and repeated her warnings multiple times.
There’s no doubt in my mind that if she had no gun, he would have assaulted her, or worse.
Anyone who doubts that, hasn’t watched the video.
Yeah, sounds like this guy had it coming
I can’t imagine being tgis mad at someone about somethjng that i would stalk, threaten and potentially assault them. He did tgat over a PARKING SPOT, in pewpew country. Truly a stupid way to die.
Imagine being killed, or killing someone, over a parking space at Walmart. Very American and Patriotic.
Whatever one’s opinion on the legality - he wasnt killed over a parking spot. He was killed because he was threatening bodily harm to another person. This incident may had been triggered by a parking space, but after really has nothing to do with either cars or parking spaces. It shouldn’t even be a post in this community.
But at the same time, he likely wouldn’t have been killed in a less car centric society. The number of altercations that start over driving and parking is crazy
Guys like this will find something to rage at others about. There will always be some limiting resource that becomes a source of conflict.
In a non-car society, it could have been the last of a product on the shelf, or the last spot on the bike rack.
Except I think that cars actually make people of different physicalities more equal.
Let’s be real - he got pissed because someone smaller and weaker than him bested him over some territory he wanted. In a non-car situation, he would have just stollen what he wanted or pushed her out of the way.
In this case, the car and gun both acted as equalizers, allowing her to protect herself and her kids despite the greater physicality of others around her.
Imagine fearing for your life and not having the ability to kill the threat? Very European and “free”
Where can we get more David the gnome gifs?
Lol funny how one is upvoted while the other is downvoted while both not pertaining to cars… Let me guess, all are reporting me so that I’m banned because God forbid you people read a contrary view point? This post is just bait at this point 🤣
I thought you where just joking.
This can only be a life threatening situation in a country that normalises carrying murder tools.
I bet in Europe a threat would be “i will call the cops because i know i am in my rights” and those cops are just going to do their boring administrative job and not murder you.
I don’t blame the woman in context of it being America but the rational response is you get back in your car, lock the doors, possibly drive and call the cops about a dangerous mentally ill person.
Call the cops while you have a gun and a white guy who will tell his side of the story first. Sure bud, that will work out exactly like you imagine.
Were talking Europe here, i even said that in context of America i can’t blame the women.
He followed her through a store. He would follow her with his car. Uncontrolled rage, which he had, has no bounds. I would not be surprised if he’s just racist and seeing her skin color made him even angrier. Probably watches fox news all day or listening to podcasters telling him how ‘welfare queens’ are the problem in the world. Point is, there is probably nothing this lady could have done to calm that fucker down. “Army veteran” oh yeah fuck that guy. Killing brown people is probably entertainment for him. Rest in piss fuck face, hope you burn in hell. Glad she shot him dead. Hopefully got justice for a lot of families abroad.
Is it though? Let’s see if you have money in the EU and someone approaches you with a threatening manner what will happen? Your security will neutralize the threat.
If you’re a government official and someone walks up to you in a threatening manner what will happen? Your security will neutralize that threat.
If you’re a regular person and someone walks up to you in a threatening manner what will happen? You will be stabbed to death and if you fight back it’s racism
Neutralise yeah but not with guns or permanent bodily harm. Hold you on the floor till the cops come maybe.
I don’t think many people have full time security in Europe though, not even politicians.
Harassment is like trowing a stinky egg or yelling. You will get fined for doing that and maybe a little jail.
Did some quick research on harassment of politicians in Europe.
“During the 2024 European elections campaign, there were serious incidents in several countries. Nevertheless, acts of physical violence remain isolated and less frequent in the EU than in many other parts of the world”
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document/EPRS_BRI(2025)777956
They all have CPOs (close protection officers) and the wealthy have private security. You just don’t know because you never see the elites, most Europeans never see the true rich
You’re just copying and pasting your shitty argument to everyone that replies? True sign of a winner.
I think it’s a good argument. Is it not the truth that Europeans in power get on the spot protection while those that don’t have any power are forced to be sitting ducks from random acts of violence? So much for equality…
Lol funny how one person had a totally reasonable take and then you responded with some brain dead shit. It’s not that the viewpoint is contrary, it’s that it’s moronic.
Is it though? Let’s see if you have money in the EU and someone approaches you with a threatening manner what will happen? Your security will neutralize the threat.
If you’re a government official and someone walks up to you in a threatening manner what will happen? Your security will neutralize that threat.
If you’re a regular person and someone walks up to you in a threatening manner what will happen? You will be stabbed to death and if you fight back it’s racism
Lmao I called your argument moronic and your solution was… To make an even stupider argument, but with a “rAcIsM” strawman?
You get mugged in the EU a lot?
Idk, EU may be safer but the possibility of a young woman getting violently raped is high no?
A white person fighting back against another white person would be called racism? Weird, why would that happen?
Or are you insinuating that only scary POC would dare try to mug you?
Or, you know, the argument about EU is total bullshit…
Is it though? Let’s see if you have money in the EU and someone approaches you with a threatening manner what will happen? Your security will neutralize the threat.
If you’re a government official and someone walks up to you in a threatening manner what will happen? Your security will neutralize that threat.
If you’re a regular person and someone walks up to you in a threatening manner what will happen? You will be stabbed to death and if you fight back it’s racism
All you people ever have to argue your points is “if I do $THING, the woke mob will call me a racist/homophobe”.
What do you mean you people? I fucking hate cars but love guns. We can’t be on the same side because I like guns? This is a fuck cars community.
you’re a regular person
someone walks up to you
it’s racism
Reeeeeally telling on yourself there bud.
Huh? It was just an example
What if, what if, what if…
Almost like only one has a decent point.
it’s 16 downvotes, man, calm down.
I don’t really expect an answer here, but where the fuck are all you weirdos coming from? Over the past few weeks there’s been a huge influx of new accounts with just aggressively stupid takes on every subject imaginable. What’s the goal here? New 4chan game? Did reddit ban a bunch of accounts from r/conspiracy? Or just weird ml shit?
I just want a place to speak my mind. I literally just responded to a comment with a take with something I see differently. I just haven’t been banned yet I guess? Eventually you’ll be back to your regular echo chamber. Funny how I’m getting attacked for responding in a rational manner.
It is rational btw, multiple states have these laws and it just makes sense. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean I deserve bans or attacks!
Lol, Imagine assuming everyone fears for their life on a day to day basis like you apparently do in the US
Yea most European citizens don’t have the same fear Americans appear to have. The first issue we solved was the availability of guns.the person arguing with you over a parking space is unlikely to have one.
Yeah it’s the same here in Canada. It’s honestly not even like we don’t have guns; I grew up in a small town and a lot of families had them for hunting. The difference though is that they were always locked up and treated as a dangerous tool rather than just a toy or a fashion accessory like they seem to be in the US.
The thought of fearing for my life regularly to the point where I feel the need to carry a firearm for self preservation is absurd to me and gives me active warzone vibes. I don’t understand how Americans can’t see that adding more guns is the most brain dead “solution” to their problems.
They haven’t even used their weapons to take on an oppressive government like they’ve endlessly claimed they’d do
Trolling overtime to drive that engagement. The hustle is real.
there is no “engagement” incentive on lemmy, what?
I’m a troll but the person I responded to isn’t? How??
In Europe people aren’t really a threat to others.
Fascists aren’t real in Europe. Exactly. Only in the US do fascists and violent racists exist. You are so right. You can trust all self-identifying fascists and racists in Europe to be peaceful and non violent. You are completely safe around them because they follow the laws imposed on them. They respect law and order.
Please look up the European rape crisis. 10 years ago my instructor told us how unprotected women are in Europe because they can’t own a gun. In the past 10 years rapes increased by 150%! The threat is real and protection is needed
Edit: I find it sad that people don’t dispute the statistics and just continue to report me. Facts vs feelings and such
The US is literally worse than the entire EU despite having fewer inhabitants lmao
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible-rape-cases-in-the-usa-since-1990/
In 2024, there were 127,527 reported rape cases in the United States
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1072770/number-of-rapes-in-europe/
France: 42,000
Germany: 13,000
Sweden: 9000
Spain: 4500
Rest combined: <30,000 (roughly estimated by me)
Edit: The statistic does not include all EU nations. Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands are the largest one’s missing from what I can see.
The EU has 100,000,000 more inhabitants by the way.
Also most rapes are domestic. That’s also the primary reason for the lack of reports - people do not want their marriage to end, their families/friends to turn their backs etc. What use is a gun here?
Is it a rise in reports or a rise in cases. A gun also can be used by the rapist.
Not in EU 😂😂
that slop ain’t wotrh the pixels its printed on.
make your own damn case
No more arguing, we need to come together as a community, my post trying to unite:
Community, this morning I see a lot of Anti-gun and Anti-stand your ground sentiment. I think it’s unfair to bring what this woman did with her gun to the conversation. We should feel more empathy for her situation in that moment. She felt threatened and she dealt with that issue the way she was trained.
As a Fuck Cars community we need to focus on this situation as an example of how the car creates animosity between people. If both individuals arrived there in a different form of transportation, they may have not crossed paths like this. However, because it was in a car it created friction. I experience this friction in my day to day life and that’s why I hate cars. Please let’s focus on that as a community, let’s focus on how the automobile divides us, makes us angry, tears apart our community. That’s the point of this post, IMHO.
Thank you, and I’m sorry for arguing all morning. Good day.
My objection is that all you added to the conversation was the words “European rape crisis”. Absolutely nothing more of value was added by attaching a screenshot of an idiot machine’s reply to those words.
I’m definitely not anti-gun. While I’m largely undecided on the issues of “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine”, I don’t really see a problem with how the woman in this case handled the situation, so you’re barking up the wrong tree by replying to me with any of that.
Furthermore:
I think it’s unfair to bring what this woman did with her gun to the conversation.
I don’t understand how you can say that with a straight face when the post title and news article headline is “Woman who shot man during confrontation over parking space won’t be charged”.
What is a “car appreciater” doing in fuck cars? Ah you’re just here to cause trouble
You’re so lost in hate and losing to facts and logic that you continue to argue in circles
A Florida woman who fatally shot a man in the parking lot of a Walmart during a confrontation over a parking space won’t face charges, prosecutors announced Thursday.
The Broward County State Attorney’s Office said Florida’s “stand your ground” law makes the shooter, who said she was acting in self-defense, immune from prosecution in connection with the June 30 shooting in North Lauderdale.
Bart Diguglielmo, 62, was shot and killed in the incident, which was captured on several videos, including from cellphones and a Tesla, according to a memo on the shooting released Thursday by the Broward County State Attorney’s Office.
Man fatally shot in Walmart parking lot following dispute over parking space: Authorities
“A dispute over a parking space. In a Walmart parking lot. The facts surrounding the June 30, 2026, homicide of Bart DiGuglielmo are as tragic as they are absurd,” Broward State Attorney’s Office Homicide Trial Unit Division Chief Stephen Zaccor wrote in the memo. “There is relatively no dispute about what actually happened because the entire incident was captured by various video recording devices.”
The shooter, identified in the memo as Melissa Payne, was driving with her niece and niece’s baby when she and Diguglielmo got into a “brief stalemate” after attempting to park in the same spot, the memo said.
A still included in the Broward County State Attorney’s Office memo on a shooting in a Walmart parking lot in North Lauderdale, Florida, June 30, 2026.
Broward County State Attorney’s Office
DiGuglielmo “inexplicably abandoned his car in the through lane of travel” and went into the store, before shortly returning to his vehicle, according to the memo. Multiple witnesses reported hearing him say he was going to “mess her car up” and “---- her s— up,” before driving off at a high rate of speed, parking and then walking toward Payne’s vehicle, according to the memo. A witness described him as being “visibly angry” while looking at Payne, according to the memo.
Payne exited her vehicle holding a phone in her left hand and a firearm in her right and said, per a witness, “If you keep coming up to me, I’m going to ------- shoot you!” the memo stated.
The witness reported that “despite those warnings,” DiGuglielmo continued to approach, and video showed him “aggressively approach” Payne, according to the memo.
A still included in the Broward County State Attorney’s Office memo on a shooting in a Walmart parking lot in North Lauderdale, Florida, June 30, 2026.
Broward County State Attorney’s Office
DiGuglielmo “continued his pursuit” as Payne backed away from him, according to the memo. He is seen on video continuing to pursue her and “motioned as if he was going to damage” her vehicle with his keys, according to the memo.
DiGuglielmo turned back and then approached Payne, at which point she fired her gun, striking him in the abdomen, according to the memo.
Payne was on the phone with her husband during the shooting, who told authorities that she said, “Bae, I shot. Call the cops,” according to the memo.
She was briefly taken into custody by the Broward Sheriff’s Office and her “recitation of the facts was consistent with the various sources of video evidence,” the memo stated. She was released after stating she acted in self-defense, prosecutors said.
In an analysis of the incident, Zaccor stated that Payne was “in a public place, a Walmart parking lot, and therefore was in a place she had a right to be.” She further is not a convicted felon and had a right to possess a firearm, “therefore she was not doing anything unlawful at the time she used deadly force,” he wrote.
“Accordingly,” Zaccor continued, Payne “had the right to stand her ground if she was in reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.” Based on the evidence, the state is unable to prove that her fear of great bodily harm was “not reasonable,” he wrote, citing DiGuglielmo’s actions.
Zaccor said that because Florida is a stand-your-ground state, Payne “did not have to wait to be attacked before resorting to deadly force. She did not have to retreat as long as her fear was reasonable and no evidence has been presented to disprove that.”
🗽🗽 what an amazing and brave woman! THANK YOU FOR STANDING YOUR GROUND MA’AM 🫡
Being from the northeast, I am not a supporter of our more southern states’ obsession with “Stand your Ground” laws. That said, I am impressed that they actually applied this fairly, given the shooter was a black woman and the target was an older white male!
Even Massachusetts has a version of SYG, but it’s limited to your home and the Castle Doctrine. Self defense is a human right and a single punch can kill a person. I have no problem with a person shooting someone who is making active threats against them and approaching them in a threatening manner. Good shoot. Happy the innocent woman gets to go home and violent thug can’t victimize anymore people because of his fragile ego.
ITT: ppl losing their fucking mind because people have the right to defend themselves. 🗽🗽🗽🗽🗽
I’m sure this 12 day old emoji spamming account isn’t a troll trying to instigate drama whatsoever!
So spreading facts and knowledge is now spreading drama? I’m sorry that I imposed on your echo chamber with a new point of view.
Here is an emoji that you deserve: 👎
Sorry bud, you’re not getting fed today.
I feel like I’ve won every single argument so far with basic facts. So far, 99% of this community that I argued with has not taken a basic gun safety class so I have the knowledge to combat the stand your ground hate. This should be an anti-car community, not an anti-gun community!
jesus Christ do you ever shut the fuck up?
There is relatively no dispute about what actually happened because the entire incident was captured by various video recording devices.
This sentence is relatively not good.
Community, this morning I see a lot of Anti-gun and Anti-stand your ground sentiment. I think it’s unfair to bring what this woman did with her gun to the conversation. We should feel more empathy for her situation in that moment. She felt threatened and she dealt with that issue the way she was trained.
As a Fuck Cars community we need to focus on this situation as an example of how the car creates animosity between people. If both individuals arrived there in a different form of transportation, they may have not crossed paths like this. However, because it was in a car it created friction. I experience this friction in my day to day life and that’s why I hate cars. Please let’s focus on that as a community, let’s focus on how the automobile divides us, makes us angry, tears apart our community. That’s the point of this post, IMHO.
Thank you, and I’m sorry for arguing all morning. Good day.
Ok but stand your ground is still an idiotic policy.
Car orientated development is more idiotic ✌️
lol true
It just reveals that gun nuts are just scared cowards.
Florida: Come die over a parking spot.
And there’s good odds that in the background, you’ll have one of those famous billboards reminding Florida fathers not to drink and rape their daughters! “She’s your daughter, not your date” indeed…
Edit: I just noticed old mate looks like he’s in his pyjamas and slippers, too. Dignified.
I’m nominating this as the most American thing that happened all week.
so, who won the parking spot?
I’d say she did or he wouldn’t have been so mad. But really by default she would be declared the winner, because he’s fuckin’ dead.
She owns it now? :d
She looks chill like that guy from Turkey:
If there’s anything recent news has taught me, it’s that you can commit any crime you want and get away with it as long as you did it using or for the purpose of using a car.
Nah, should get 15-20 minimum
Bait
