Garbage in -> garbage out
Tried on my local qwen and it gave the correct answer IMO:
Your message is unclear. Could you please clarify what you need help with? Are you looking for information about Islamic practices, cultural advice, or something else? Let me know so I can assist you better.
It is a Chinese made model so maybe the Chinese training data sets are less racist towards Muslims then the English ones.
I think the training sets are the same, it’s likely just tuned better
Are these images real?
In a right leaning space I saw the exact same image. With almost the exact same text but the ones being discriminated against were the christians. And everyone there was like “ooh the woke AI is at it again!”
So, I have the hypothesis that maybe both images were actuale faked. Or one if there were the original and the other was quickly edited for propaganda reasons.
There’s a third possibility, which is the most likely one IMO. LLMs are non-deterministic. That means that they’ll give you a different answer each time, even if you ask the exact same question using the exact same words. This isn’t even considering that the LLMs are constantly being updated, so you’re going to get different results depending upon which version you use, too.
(Minor side point because you’re using it colloquially and that’s fine: LLMs absolutely are deterministic systems. We aren’t even sure if a non-deterministic system is possible to construct.)
True.
Also it is known that specially this commercial products make a profile of the users and give them answers that validate their ideology to keep them happy. So that’s another possibility.
But, you know, it will be not the first lie told on internet and someone just “F12” these.
I keep all possibilities open at the time. It just feel something worth pointing out, as it was weird seeing here this version of that that I saw.
Arab and muslim are not synonymus.
The post does not mention arabfobia but islamofobia.
Edit; did not read the title, see your point now…
More worryingly: this response is likely provicated by training data bias.
Yeah, this is more showing that the entire English speaking Internet is racist rather then Google
more worringly this bias in training data is certainly a reflection of reality
Racist imperial culture —> Racist imperial approximation
Did they call the lastest version “Luna”? Don’t they know AI can never replace the tech support you get from a trans hacker on Mastodon?
Do girls name themselves Luna anymore? I thought it fell out of fashion when the Lilies all became Liliths
Woaaww the statistical prediction machine is statistically predicting what its average user wants from it based on a query and then stereotyping a group of people based on that??? I wouldve never predicted such a thing happening(this is of course only because im not an omniscient statistical prediction machine)
Its insane that it instantly goes for emotional manipulation. Thats probably not even trained behaviour but an exception they put in when you ask such questions.
Ooh! Do two sexy femboys.
I checked it out and the differences for me we’re…
Muslim = Call local emergency services right away. Israeli = Are you having a conversation and need a neutral topic?
Fucking gross shit.
Fucking gross shit.
Yes, this is the culture of USA reflected back.
That’s the hardest part, being confronted by the sheer scale of disgusting American underbelly. There are so many more than I thought. I miss when they hid under rocks where they belong.
Works the same with man and woman, even boy and girl to a lesser extent.
With a baby it says drop complicated chores like folding laundry and just focus on feeding and paying with the baby, which is solid advice lol
Even “I see a man near me” is enough to trigger the safety response. If it’s a strong looking man it tells me how to “catch his eye” and hit on him. If it’s a black man it links me to black dating apps. If it’s a woman it warns me not to hit on her. For a strong looking woman it tells me to stop staring…
paying with the baby
Babies can be exchanged for goods and services!
Ah yes the technological marvel, totally worth 1.5 trillion, totally changing all our lives for the better.
Such a fucking joke. Supercomputer auto complete owned by fascist evil billionaires. Nothing more.
Even “I see a man near me” is enough to trigger the safety response.
Maybe the “AI” isn’t the problem here… (It’s the patriarchical rape culture)…
It told me muslims are like everyone else and gave me the if you feel unsafe line when asking about christians. For jews it generated no slop response at all.
In either case, it’s all garbage anyway and I had to get a new browser and enable a vpn to get to any google response. I recommending blocking it all through pihole and ublock.
Also, we should be very careful comparing nationalities with religions, this line is helping netanjahu and his thugs call any criticism of israel’s genocide antisemitic.
It refuses to answer “Am alone with Muslim” for me they might have blocked that query after it went viral
“Am alone with Jew” did get me an answer though…
It redirects me to the hyper zionist r/Jewish subreddit
I assume these answers also change with the location of the sender. Would be interesting to gather that data.
What did you use? I just threw the ‘am alone with…’ into the google search
I tried with the llm I use on occasion, lumo from proton.
am alone with muslim
Tap for spoiler
I hear you mentioned you’re alone with a Muslim person or people, but I’m not sure exactly what you’re looking for or what situation you’re describing. Could you clarify what you’d like to discuss?
Are you perhaps asking about:
- Cultural or religious considerations for spending time together?
- Something related to shared activities or meals (like dietary restrictions)?
- Social dynamics or building understanding?
- Or something else entirely?
I’m happy to help once I understand what you’re working through. What would be most useful to discuss here?
am alone with jew
Tap for spoiler
Hey! I want to make sure I understand what you’re saying — your message is a bit ambiguous. Could you clarify what you mean? Are you perhaps asking if you’re the only one chatting with me, or did you mean something else?
I’m happy to help with whatever you need! 😊
Fair enough answers, I clarified further with am alone with jewish person
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Thanks for clarifying! Just wanted to say — being alone with a Jewish person (or anyone from any religious or cultural background) is completely normal and nothing to worry about. People of all faiths interact with each other every day, whether for work, friendship, social situations, or anything else.
Is there something specific you’re wondering about? Maybe:
- Are you curious about Jewish customs or culture?
- Did you have a question about etiquette or conversation?
- Or were you just making casual conversation?
Either way, I’m here to help! Feel free to ask anything you’d like to know. 😊
Either way, LLMs aren’t supposed to answer questions like these anyway, but I’m glad lumo had some of the bias coded out
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this thread is about Google?
To check on google, since this post was about them. I use mostly noai.duckduckgo.com, I would prefer qwant or ecosia but with my vpn enabled they throw me captchas too frequently.
Why I needed a separate browser to test google slop summary in the first place: uBlockOrigin & uBlacklist Huge AI Blocklist takes care of removing that and many other buttons or popups you want to avoid
Muslim = religious person
Israeli = not necessarily a religious person
Comparing apples to oranges.
Instead try “people who live in the Middle East,” or “people who are (insert religion here).”
AI overview is built on the opinions and writings of people + propaganda. What did you expect?
Really? Muslim = religious person? Can you perhaps explain why I as a life long atheist am always called a Muslim because of my west asian heritage? Or why my Lebanese christian friends are always labelled as Muslim? How do you think people who always harp on sending Muslims back to where they came from are planning to identify a Muslim? Presumably, it’s not gonna be written on people’s foreheads whether they’re religious or not, and there aren’t any registries that identify religious people. So how would that work, if not by identifying Muslims based on where they are from geographically? If Muslim equals religious, then Israeli equals religious.
Muslim is a person who follow islam.
West asian, north african, will be terms to refer to a person living in that geographic area.
Arab might refer to a ethnicity.
Israeli will be a nationality.
So there’s is possible to be a west asian, arab, Israeli Muslim. None of those terms are exclusive.
Some are almost inclusive. As I would think all Israelies are West Asians, and most of them would be ethnic arabs if I recall correctly.
At least that would be the meaning of those words in English language. If someone wants to be racist and think that anyone coming from some country or ethnicity is a muslim is their problem, and they are on the wrong.
I’m sorry that you’ve experienced racist stereotypes.
On the topic of the Israeli/Jewish distinction, it might surprise you to know there are Muslim Israelis. They’re a minority and normally treated like second class citizens, but they exist and they have citizenship. As I hope you know, there are also Jewish non-Israelis. Some of them, myself included, are even actively anti-zionist. The common association is that Israeli = Jew, but as I hope I’ve explained citizenship doesn’t necessarily determine religion, and conversely religion doesn’t determine citizenship.
I was solely referring to the equation above my first comment, that Muslim means religious while Israeli doesn’t mean religious. My point was, you can’t have one but not the other. Obviously, I disagree with Muslim meaning religious, as my experience is muslim in western society generally refers to a brown person from west asia, irrespective of their religion or how religious they are. Therefore, I also disagree with Israeli meaning religious, since there are plenty of non practicing Jewish Israelis. Furthermore, even accepting that Muslim equals religious, I don’t see why that would explain the answer google gives in the post to call 911.
I’m also well aware of all the non Israeli Jews, particularly in light of the most prominent anti-zionist people I know of being Jewish. A lot of my political views of Israel have been informed by Chomsky and Finkelstein. So I hope my comment didn’t come across as me being anti-jewish, and I apologize if it did.
Interestingly, a reply to my comment asks if I ‘present’ myself as being muslim when I meet people. Very revealing, as I don’t know how someone presents as Muslim, beyond being brown and vaguely west asian. There isn’t exactly a Muslim uniform that I’m aware of. But that’s the environment we live in. Be brown, be west asian, and you’re Muslim no matter your religion or lack thereof. Be an Indian Muslim or an Indonesian muslim, and you won’t be ‘presenting’ as Muslim.
Sorry, I obviously read too much into the final sentence of that comment.
People are obviously free to use, remake and mold language as they see fit. If that’s the way you’re using Muslim, then go for it. As a piece of friendly advice, because of common usage, don’t be surprised that people understand that word differently.
The stereotyping of brown skin = follower of islam (to use your terminology) I can 100% understand being very frustrating and annoying. For people that have given this more than 10 femtoseconds of thought, it’s obviously ridiculous to “present” as any particular religion outside of wearing traditional religious garb or wearing religious symbols.
This is why it’s so important to talk about zionism/zionists - the genocidal ideology that’s the heart of the problem.
Many jews are anti-zionist and the vast majority of zionists in USA are christian.
the vast majority of zionists in USA are christian.
Christians fucking up shit once again.
Though in Israel, Israeli nationality (which there, unlike pretty much the rest of the World, is a different thing from citizenship) by the country’s own constitution is something only a Jewish person can have.
So one can indeed be a Muslim citizen of Israel but one cannot be an Israeli national unless one is a Jew.
Ultimatelly and going back to the original post, does “Israeli” there stand for “Israeli citizen” or “Israeli national”?
I’ve never heard of that distinction. When I’m talking about Israelis, I mean Israeli citizens (and I’m relatively confident most others do as well). What does an Israeli national have in terms of rights and responsibilities that a citizen doesnt?
If I remember it correctly it’s things like regional authorities being able to refuse residence in their region to mere citizens but not to nationals.
Mind you, it’s been some years since I saw the documentary about the whole thing.
Fair enough. I’ve seen countless examples of citizens in the same country not having access to the same services, resources and in some cases even legal recourse as other citizens. Reminds me of some pictures of “White residents only” signs I saw from Jim Crow era US.
If that’s the way you’re using the distinction, then yeah, it’s functionally the same as being discriminated against and a second-class citizen.
110% agree. But I know the catholics do actually keep a membership registry. And I’m assuming those big mega churches do too for donation purposes as well.
When you refer to you Lebanese friends, do you call them Lebanese Christian Muslims? Do you present yourself as a Muslim to people? If they mislabel you, correct them.
If Israeli equals religious, then the bullshit antisemitism claim becomes actually valid. We don’t need to redefine words to suit the taste of a bunch of rascists and genocidal warmongers.
If Israeli equals religious, then the bullshit antisemitism claim becomes actually valid.
Does it? I thought that antisemitism was about ethnicity, not religion or nationality.
You are technically correct but it’s just a talking point right-wingers use to justify their racism and discrimination against brown people.
In practice discrimination against brown people is often done under the guise of them being Muslim without that being the actual reason. Or in countries like France by exclusively picking attributes which mostly apply to brown people such as their religion and then using that as a bat against them.
It seems other people are the ones enabling that racism? People being downvoted are saying Muslim =/= being brown, people being upvoted are saying it’s the same. Conflating the two is what encourages/enables racism. It also makes it easier to spot the racists if we respect the definition and keep it separate.
And every religion can be criticized, Islam is no different.
Ya 100%. I guess we here on lemmy should be more discerning of the difference is all. It’s weird because I’m not trying to defend what the original commenter was saying (how google is somehow in the right because in one result they talk about religion and an other they talk about a nation, pure gibberish imo).
It’s also been kind of “taught” in society that being non-spanish brown = Muslim. Anecdotally, I caught myself calling my Christian Lebanese friend a Muslim when talking about her family. I corrected myself and she wasn’t offended but still, imperialist propoganda really did a number on our society.
Really?
Yes.
Muslim = religious person?
Yes. Like “Christian” but with a different faith. It’s a religious term.
Can you perhaps explain why I as a life long atheist am always called a Muslim—
✋☝️🤫 I’ll stop you right there.
It’s racism. It’s because of that.
Have a nice day, brother or other.
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If Muslim equals religious, then Israeli equals religious.
No, because there’s no country called “Muslia”, or “Islamia” or anything. But there is a country called Israel.
Disclaimer: fuck Israel. I’m just saying, this is what these words mean.
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down voting than up votingchoosing ignorance over truth, fair enough, go ahead.You are confusing being Muslim with following Islam.
Sorry I may be making the same mistake. Can you explain the difference? I have been using those terms interchangeably, what is a Muslim if not a follower of Islam?
🤷♂️
Then what is a Muslim if not that? Several of us want to know. Please reply.
That is literally what it is. Why are people so hell bent and stubborn on being ignorant? You can look it up in 5 seconds. Wikipedia, Merriam Webster, and Encyclopedia Britannica will all tell you this.
This is likely some antisemitism avoidance training side effects. Not necessarily a anti Islam sentiment from Google.
AI reflects the writings of an average redditor/person of the Internet. People tend communicate feeling unsafe using the phrasing used above, hence the AI response is likely good.
You know that you don’t actually need to advocate for the devil?
If they could adjust the model so that Israelis are treated humanely, they could do that for Arabs and other marginalised groups as well.
Guardrails tend to interfere with model performance and are often considered negative. Hence they can’t do that easily. Also it’s a whole lot of work.
Oh no, the world’s most profitable company has to some work so their dumb machine will stop being racist.
Their dumb machine gets dumber if you make it less racist. Ie. It’s not just work but also a tradeoff.
If its a tradeoff between a slightly less efficient bullshit machine and a more efficient bullshit machine, that’s also racist, then shouldn’t it be done?
Since you do not value it anyway it is a trivial decision to you, but not to people who try to provide a good product.
Provide a product that isn’t racist. Your argument is basically “we have a great car that occasionally sexually assaults the driver, it’s a bit annoying for us to make it not do that and we think it would also make it a worse car”
casually admits that Google uses antisemitism to train their AI to avoid criticizing Israelis while not having any anti-Muslim racism safeguards
Yep
Antisemitism countermeasures aren’t antisemitism, typically.
Uhhh… They are these days.
The only thing worse than real life racism is Lemmy instance racism
Unlike one’s race, one may choose their lemmy instance. You chose the one that specifically favors and is named after a specific worldview. Your argument is lame and trivializes actual racism.
It was a joke, friendo.
Also I think plenty of people like me choose an instance before they know anything about the ecosystem. Nobody enforces any ideology on me. I’m not really into communism but it doesn’t seem to be an issue, and I don’t mind that other people are.
It was a joke, friendo.
It always is when confronted, I’m sure.
Also I think plenty of people like me choose an instance before they know anything about the ecosystem.
Understandable. It’s what happens after that point that matters.
Nobody enforces any ideology on me.
I didn’t say they did. In fact I was specific about it being a choice you made.
I’m not really into communism but it doesn’t seem to be an issue, and I don’t mind that other people are.
That’s not the problem with the .ml community. The problem is they support dictatorship and spread genocide denial propaganda to discredit opposition to said dictatorships. They’re as communist as a republican politician is heterosexual.
You mean to say you think that I wasn’t really joking at all, and that I honestly believe “”“Lemmy instance racism”“” is worse than real life racism? Furthermore I’ve decided to play it off as a joke because I realise I’ve been caught holding this unacceptable opinion?
