Y’all just need to stop being selfish and think about the shareholders.
It’s even trickier with EVs.
On the one hand you can charge your EV at home and no one knows about it.
On the other, you can’t pay for a public charger with cash, there’s always a trail. Cars have unique identifiers that are communicated to the charger when connected. Each time you charge in public they know exactly who are you and what car it is.
State sponsored surveillance Flock cameras photographed the chat.
2023 article. Would be good to have current information.
It’s safe to assume that it only got worse
The very worst offender is Nissan. The Japanese car manufacturer admits in their privacy policy to collecting a wide range of information, including sexual activity, health diagnosis data, and genetic data — but doesn’t specify how. They say they can share and sell consumers’ “preferences, characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence, abilities, and aptitudes” to data brokers, law enforcement, and other third parties.
What the actual fuck
iirc this got removed shortly after it got attention
and not before it was produced? press x to doubt they actually removed it… If there’s no independent research and we can’t have the CEO’s own data, then take it with a big grain of salt
I’m not sure what you mean, but I meant you could no longer find the bit about collecting sex related data on the nissan site after mozilla made that article. I read some of them before and I’m not 100% but I’m pretty sure I read that section, but when I shared the article with people it was gone from the car maker site by then.
If you have the url. Have you looked for it on the wayback internet archive?
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Subaru states that by being a passenger, you are considered a user — and by being a user, you have consented to their privacy policy. Several car brands also note that it is a driver’s responsibility to tell passengers about the vehicle’s privacy policies.
No way that holds up in court. But in what situation would that appear in court unless someone has money to burn?
everytime WE get into a car with our friends we ALWAYS read the privacy policy aloud to them right guys
This kind of shit is what makes me not want an EV, that and I guess the ease of repair but that could change with proper regulation and resources. I’m all for EVs but my current relatively effecient ICE car doesn’t spy on me and that’s important as well.
This kind of shit makes me want to build an EV using a kit.
It’s got nothing to do with EVs.
It’s all cars made in the last 6-8 years.Thats kinda my point. If my current car dies I’d like to replace it with an EV, but if even the ones used and 5 years old have this shit I’m not sure I’d want to compromise my privacy like that. My only options would likely be used plug in electric hybrids or early models of EVs that will likely need battery replacements/upgrades.
My car’s old enough to vote.
It sort of has something to do with EVs, in that it’s hard to find EVs made before this was standard, so if you’re looking for cars without it it’s hard to find one that doesn’t have an ICE engine.
(Where cars aren’t avoidable, I do prefer they be electric, as, I’m sure, do many, but the privacy concerns are apparently very real.)
If it makes you feel better, EVs aren’t a real solution to the problems we face anyways, public transport was always the solution and EVs was a way to get consumers to keep focusing on individualism and consumerism to solve societal problems.
Rural places and bigots will still need or want personal cars. Some things like a trades work van or delivery service will still need a car/truck. These might as well be developed as electric. EVs are not the solution to our transportation and environmental issues but they are part of it.
EVs aren’t the perfect solution. But they’re less bad than ICE vehicles, and are a good interim measure unless/until public transport becomes more viable.
Don’t let the best get in the way of the good enough for now. It’s OK to be in favor of two things.
Cars will always be the best choice for many many trips for many many kinds of people. Cities are most efficient but not everyone can be in one, and public transit doesn’t work in farmland. We need both. EVs is a way to reduce the use of fossil fuels in transportation. We don’t have time to wait to densify every city and build out good transit networks, that will take decades. EVs have real benefits today. It just sucks modern cars are nightmares.
Guess who drives the most in total.
And guess how much it can be reduced with good public transport.
i wonder if snipping off your car’s modem completely stops the flow of data. like sure, your car’s CPU is still gathering that data but they have no way to retrieve it. unless you visit a dealership or authorized mechanic shop?
Ding ding. Airgaps get broken when you bring it to the dealer, they plug it in, and it downloads and uploads all your data.
You gotta neuter the sensors
maybe it’s different here in Europe, but why not avoid dealerships all-together? do you just not have third party mechanic shops?
What do you think the third party mechanic plugs into the car to read data from the computer?
Very likely to void your insurance
Under GDPR, in countries that have it, that could be challenged in court, forcing the insurers to show why the information collected is relevant to providing insurance.
I hate the world we’re building.
I hate the world they’re forcing us to consent to live in.
Force and consent are contradictory.
They don’t want you to know this, but members of the ruling class are human and therefore actually very easy to remove from power. You just take all of the goo out of them and that generally works.
Then revoke your consent insofar as you are able
Why don’t they review any open source cars?
what open source cars are available?
OpenMotors Tabby
This is why if you buy a car, you should get a “dumb” car.
Serious question, what is the best solution to this? My household has three cars, the newest is from 2008. It makes me nervous as to what to do if I wanted a “new” car (I’d never buy an actual new car, just new to me and made in the last ten years).
Remove the spyware junk. All you’d practically use (beside the driving essentials itself) is radio, heating, lighting, warning signs, aircon, and that’s it, really.* A Faraday cage can also help.
* Not gonna lie, something in me wonders whether those also have spyware or not… but either way.
We need to find a way to cripple cars’ connectivity.
If the data is stored in the car, that just changes the timing of the privacy breach, not its existence.
How?
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got to love GDPR
This is why I drive a 20 year old car.
I do because I’m fuckin’ broke. But this is a nice benefit.
The smartest chip in my 2001 VW Golf is the automatic climate control.
What about my zero potions 2014 kangoo.
