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Reading this on my Samsung Fold 6.
But to add something constructive for apple users: I would very much not recommend any foldable mobile. They can be done well but a mechanical fold will always deteriorate over time e.g. manufacturer protective plastic detaching and tiny dirt getting where it causes problems over time.
All in all I am happy with my current device, it works exactly as advertised (and apple too: you’ve got a mini tablet at any time) but would not get a foldable again, especially at those prices. Also many sites and services are just so optimized for the standard format that the gain can be minimal and especially physical phone holders in cars etc might not fit that well.
Of course it’s great for maps and photos.
Also consider that you’ll be needing a good (aka massive, expensive) case if you don’t want the expensive device get damaged by drops.
I think it looks awesome and has very cool features, but that crease is gonna happen, and as another commenter said, I’ll let others be the guinea pigs.
And that price is absolutely goddamn bananas. It’s basically an iPad mini that folds. And I don’t need an iPad mini.
The crease:
Certainly better than my 2023 Pixel Fold but mine’s 3 years old. Youtube reviewers said the crease wouldn’t be noticeable once there’s content on it but I can always feel it when I scroll and text doesn’t look perfect over those pixels. I do like having a bigger screen for my failing vision but I waited 2 years and got my open box/refurb unit for $350 last year, I don’t expect that kind of depreciation on this thing.
Is this an actual production iPhone Duo?
Yep
Damn
And that price is absolutely goddamn bananas.
Apple gonna Apple. People keep paying for some reason, so I’m not blaming the big corporation, for once.
That’s… the pretty standard rate for a book style foldable. Not Apple being Apple.
Apple’s lies somewhere in between the $1900 Galaxy Z Fold 8, and the $2100 Galazy Z Fold 8 Ultra. And the price is right in the middle at $2000.
The Pixel Fold 11 Pro is $1900.
The Razr Fold is $1900.
The Oppo Find N6 is $1900.
Look, Apple‘s build quality just can’t be beat. They make a solid goddamn product. I have been buying Apple products for over 25 years, and I have never had a single Apple product fail on me. Not once.
Now you can complain all you want about the software, but that’s mostly a matter of personal opinion, and some matter of weirdness. But the software is also pretty solid, saved for some odd choices here and there.
It’s all BSD/UNIX after all (or, a rather odd derivative akin to the likes of Solaris, but that’s another conversation)
However, recently, the corporate philosophy and my own philosophy has become divergent, and Linux has become a lot more attractive. And, finally, far more capable than it has been in the past. finally, a worthy replacement.
That’s what macOS always was: what Linux wasn’t yet. But it is now. and Apple has run the fuck out of time.
For example, until the last five or eight years or so, Apple used to be a major contributor to some of the most important open source projects on earth,… Until the last five or eight years or so… Not so much anymore. There are a lot more examples, but I don’t think you wanna hear it.
For all of the awesomeness that Apple once held, it really was Tim Cook that took a shit on all of it
Apple really did used to be great 😢
Apple‘s build quality just can’t be beat.
Unrepairable-by-design machines which (for the few parts that can be replaced) explicitly require you to buy Apple branded parts at a premium… we must have different definitions of build quality, because using good materials on a poorly designed product still makes a poor product.
And yes, it’s true that everyone just solders RAM to the board and calls it a day now; Apple started that trend too. I agree they look nice. But they are not designed with the best interests of the consumer. They’re designed to maximize profits for Apple, despite the consumer also paying more for it.
But, to each their own. I also used to really enjoy their machines, but it was a long time ago (before they switched from PPC to Intel). Back in those days, Apple’s pricing was not nearly as batshit crazy as it is now. Since then, you consistently get less machine for more money. Doesn’t matter which device.
Unrepairable-by-design
A strawman argument upon which I will not engage
If I’m rich enough to buy an Apple product, I will never need to repair it, because I’ll just buy a new one in a year or two. QED. That is the entire product model, thus the point.
Apple products are extremely well built. There is no debate on that subject. They are extremely unrepairable. There is no debate on that subject. And this is not a conversation for the debate between those two subjects.
I will say this: I wish for repairable (or at least more repairable) products from Apple, but this is a very different conversation than “well-built products”
Edit: if I had said “well designed products”, then we might have a debate on the subject, but I didn’t.
I get where you’re coming from, and I get where you’re going, but the intersection you’re looking for just isn’t there
I carry a phone and an iPad mini. When both are due to be upgraded for me in a couple or three years, I may consider this.
I’ve been skeptical of a folding iPhone, but the aspect ratio of the duo hits just right for me. And the exterior screen. Of course I’m not gonna jump on gen 1.
I’ve been waiting on the idea of a folding phone until Apple did it, cause I pretty much was sure only they could do it right. It looks like I was right, but I’m still not convinced that they can/have solve(d) the crease problem.
I can’t afford to upgrade right now, especially at these prices, and I probably wouldn’t just because I want other people to test it out first. Also, we’re at the era when iPhones last for years and years. I’m still on my iPhone 14 Pro and perfectly happy with it. If I got the iPhone duo now, and it wasn’t built to last like my iPhone 14 Pro, I’d be pretty pissed. So I’m perfectly happy to let others test it out, or even wait until the iPhone duo two or three before I commit, again, especially at these prices. (holy banana boobies!)
I used to upgrade every year until my 11 Pro, then a few years until my 14 Pro, and now I haven’t upgraded since because Apple makes their phone so goddamn well. The only reason I’m even considering upgrading at this point is because I want a USB-C port, and I have finally dropped my iPhone so many times, that it has lost it waterproofness. Because I never owned an iPhone more than a year, this hasn’t happened before, but after year 4, I’m in a bit of a tough spot.
Math is like that…
Edit: oh shit, like seven people made comments while I was editing this. Sorry!
Every three or four years seems to be the sweet spot now, especially when that aligns with carrier incentives. I think that’s the iPhone business model now, get 25–33% of iPhone users to upgrade each year.
It was very different back in the early days, when the phone was $500. At four times the price, even with carrier incentives and payment plans, I just don’t see the point.
But, as I said, Apple really builds them to last now, and the software really supports the hardware for quite some time. Even the upcoming version of iOS will still support the iPhone 12.
As someone who is on my second foldable, I don’t get why everyone fixates on the crease. It’s seriously not a big deal and you don’t notice it in day to day use.
As someone who hasn’t actually had one ever, that should probably answer your question
But I do have a not-tiny amount of OCD, so it’s a type of thing that would annoy me insanely, even though it didn’t really matter that much
I’ll let others be the guinea pig testers.
I’ve seen that crease that other foldables develop and it looks atrocious. Hoping Apple found a way to not have that happen.
Plus my 15 Pro is still going strong. All I wanted was USB type C and I feel content with everything this has to offer even at 3+ years old.
And that price is crazy starting at $1,999 for 256GB. My MacBook Pro M5 with 1TB and 24GB RAM I got this year was cheaper than the base model of this at $1499 and that was after RAM price increases.
nope
The iPhone mini dying for this is a terrible trade off. Maybe after this gimmick fails they’ll try the mini again
The iPhone Mini didn’t die for this. The last iPhone Mini was five years ago.
The iPhone Mini died because it had terrible sales numbers. It was clear that what more people wanted was a cheaper big iPhone. Hence the 3rd Gen SE and the iPhone 14 Plus.
I agree that it’s sad. The iPhone Mini was awesome and adorable. But it just didn’t sell well, unfortunately.
But the iPhone mini is what I want darn it. Considering the SE and Plus lines are also dead, I’m not sure they were what the people wanted either. But I suppose Apple is just throwing gimmicks phones at the wall to see what sticks.
I definitely don’t want this and it’s hard for me to see how this is any more useful than just having an iPad or a laptop in a bag a long side your phone.
I feel you, and that does suck. Like I said, loved the Mini.
I mentioned it in another comment, and I know it’s even more niche than the iPhone Mini, but I love the idea of having forScore with me in a form factor that is actually useful for sheet music at all times. I sing off of an iPad, but the number of times I’ve wanted my sheet music but not had my iPad with me is surprisingly high. I can bring up forScore on the iPhone, but the screen is a terrible size for sheet music.
Obviously for that use case, as others, the iPad is better because it’s bigger. But my iPad doesn’t fit in my pocket and I don’t carry a bag everywhere.
I don’t think this form factor will be useful or desirable for everyone, but I think I would really love it. Don’t know if I’ll jump on the Gen 1, but it’s tempting.
Yeah i’m nursing my 13 mini along as long as I can, RIP reasonably-sized phones
My iPhone SE is at 68% battery life and 6yrs old. This may the closest we get to a smaller phone. I will likely wait until next year and hopefully buy the version 1 cheaper.
My wife got a new-in-box third-gen SE last year and now we’re both just dreading having to replace these things
Oh so lucky. I bought two refurbished SEs snd had to send them back. I gave up. Hold onto it!
Looks genuinely cool and well thought. I’d love to have one. However in my country the starting price is 2300€ which I cannot justify for a phone. Hope that the price of this technology comes down over time.
I like how one of the examples is them propping the device up with the outer screen facing down on a cinder block or whatever to take a photo.
Yeah let me just do that with my $2000 phone.
Wait I need to turn the camera just a little more scrapes front display on cinder block grit
I thought you were going to go with the random passerby just yoinking your phone
it does not look sleek, or cool. for some reason it reads as some crap samsung would try to sling
what is happening over there?
Oh man I totally disagree. I think it looks beautiful. I really want to try it out. But I understand where you’re coming from.
I think the aspect ratio choice is a good one, but it’s certainly different. I don’t think different is bad though. I think the choice they made was to prioritize the inner display aspect ratio, and I think that makes a lot of sense. I can’t imagine that if I had this phone my primary use case would be the outer display.
That’s fair, and to each their own. I just can’t see Steve Jobs approving this design as is.
This is really weird design.
It looks like they’ve taken an iPad Mini and made it foldable with an extra display for when it’s closed?
I like the look and size of it when open; it essentially replaces the Mini. But I can’t think of a reasonable use case for a “passport sized” device that’s got the 2D dimensions as a passport but the thickness of a mid-sized paperback. And that screen becomes an outer surface… so it’s going to get dinged up a LOT.
And that screen becomes an outer surface… so it’s going to get dinged up a LOT.
That’s literally every single phone in existence right now…
but the thickness of a mid-sized paperback
It’s 2.5mm thicker folded, than a regular iPhone pro is.
It looks like they’ve taken an iPad Mini and made it foldable with an extra display for when it’s closed
Yeah that was the idea.
“Foldable iPad mini that becomes an iPhone while folded” is probably my ideal take on the folding phone.
What idiot would ever put a screen on the outer surface?!?!?
/s
TIL there’s a comm for apple enthusiasts on lemmy.
Genuinely didn’t see that coming.
And it’s huge!!!
I wasn’t sure what to expect when Appy finally released their first folding phone, but naming it after the Microsoft Surface Duo folding phone was not on my list at all.
The naming scheme fits with the Magsafe Duo Charger.
Okay?
The Surface duo was released a month prior to the chargers announcement. The charger gets its name from the fact that it can charge 2 devices, which is a fundamentally different gimmick than the naming scheme of this phone. The charger also exists in a different product category than either phone.
The fact remains there are now 2 companies who have released specifically folding phones named duo in a relatively recent time frame. There are other phones with the duo monicker hinting at things like dual cameras or sim cards, but at the end of the day, I was expecting Apple to hold true to their persona of being unique and special in having to rename even the most basic things that I was surprised they settled on exactly the same name one of their competitors had used for the same product category.
The existence of other things named duo doesn’t invalidate that there are now 2 folding phones named the same thing from different companies.
The Powerbook Duo predates Microsoft surface by about 30 years.
Though exists in a completely different product category.
Apple likes to recycle their brand names. AppleVision was a display long before it was used s the headset branding. I’ll be interested to see if the Apple folding phone is a flop. I would much rather have seen the Duo name saved for something more innovative. 🤷♂️
It’s a shame that Microsoft gave up on Windows phone. It was a good product around version 7 and 8. Slapping android on a device and giving it Microsoft branding was just utterly embarrassing though. Still, I expect nothing less from their current lack of vision or leadership.
$2000… Good grief. For the base model, too!
I would say “Read the room, Apple,” but they seem to be doing just fine by squeezing every nickel and dime from everybody else.
It’s smack dab between the Samsung Z Fold 8 ($1900) and Z Fold 8 Ultra ($2100). Seems appropriate for its market.
Look at MSRP of Samsung. It’s $1900.
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Price is insane.
It’s the same as every other foldable on the market…
Ill buy the trifold when that happens, this is too small to read comics on
Actually needs to be smaller.
May the ghost of mini haunt you forever, Apple 👻
All 7 of you that bought it are devastated.
We really are.
i just don’t understand who needs an ipad mini sized screen in their pocket all the time, even if it is foldable.
I don’t NEED it, but I’d love it. I used to say back in 2012 that I wished I could use the iPad Mini as a phone.
