I’m a fan of the DSA for the time, but I’m afraid they have the same structural weakness of all political organizations. I can’t bring myself to give then money.
What structural weakness?
This is such a nonstory, but okay, cool. AOC was a member previously, certainly seems to be pretty damned compatible with her views, and once the DSA noticed she wasn’t a member, renewed her membership.
No this is huge. a large political statement actually in light of recent events
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time. She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere. Because they had such a stranglehold on the “left wing” of our political system. What changed is that’s no longer the case. The Democratic party is falling to shit because of the centrists who are basically Republicans at this point. So she is leaving that party and going back to the DSA and solidifying her position there because like her we all need to abandon the Democratic party and embrace Democratic socialism.
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time.
I’d love a source for this claim.
She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere.
The DSA is a political organization, not a political party. They do not run candidates. They do endorse people.
If you are DSA and run for office, you run as a Democrat or Independent or whatever else.
So this is two strikes against you knowing what you’re talking about.
So she is leaving that party and going back to the DSA
You are ignorant of what the DSA actually is.
because like her we all need to abandon the Democratic party and embrace Democratic socialism.
I support the DSA because they are the most progressive organization out there, and they are actually getting support, so I feel my support of them increases the visibility and support for progressive ideas. And I am not afraid of the word “socialism”, and if “democratic socialism” takes off and helps us get human rights, social safety nets, and all the other things, I’m all for it.
That said, most people who are running for office who affiliate with the DSA will be running as… wait for it… Democrats.
Including AOC.
So please go do a little research.
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time. She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere.
That’s not how it works though. DSA is legally a 501c4. It parasitizea the Democratic ballot line, but any DSA member running as on the Dem ballot line wouldn’t have to give up their DSA membership.
What happened here was likely that her dues lapsed without her knowing(a thing that happens relatively often, and it isn’t anyone’s fault), and nobody noticed. National has to submit requests to the relevant staff for that information, so they weren’t checking. And NYC-DSA, who would have been the ones responsible for checking when doing endorsements, just assumed she was a still paying dues, when she wasn’t.
DSA isn’t a party though
The tea party was just a movement, not a political party, and they eventually took over the Republican Party. I expect this will eventually happen because they don’t want to split the party or make a new one that’s never going to win major elections.
The DSA is famously embarrassing and incompetent. I’m as left wing as it gets and I wouldn’t want to be associated with those well-meaning dumbasses.
I’m as left wing as they get but I wont support the closest American political group with a chance at getting representation in government. In fact, I’ll actively denigrate and discourage others from supporting them too. That’ll unlock the future I claim to want!
Proving she’s not an establishment Dem by having the ability to read the fucking room.
She’s the past, the present and the future. All hail our socialist queen!
No queens no god no masters thank you very much
She’s one of the only notable young Democrat leaders. Not hard to see why she gets support. Even bad socialism is better than whatever the fuck we currently have.
Even bad socialism is better than whatever the fuck we currently have.
The economic system where oligarchs use the military industrial complex, insider trading with market manipulation and tariffs to put tax money directly into their pockets?
It’s beyond just the violations of capitalism. Now it’s just transparent corruption.
They’ve invented something new. It’s called Crapitalism.
They’ve invested something new. It’s called Crapitalism.
For your consideration, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy
See also: kakistocracy
Since 2011, more than $1 trillion has left developing countries annually in illicit financial outflows. A 2016 study found that $12 trillion had been siphoned out of developing economies.[15]
In a 2011 forensic study of grand corruption cases, the World Bank found the United States was the leading victim of illegal incorporation of entities involved in money laundering schemes.[24] The Department of the Treasury estimates that $300 billion is laundered annually in the United States in violation of US law.[25]
This kleptocratic financial system flourishes in the United States by illegally abusing the United States’ liberal economic structure for two reasons.
- First, the United States does not have a beneficial ownership registry, and kleptocrats take advantage of this privacy benefit.[26]
- Second, kleptocrats take advantage of incorporation agents, lawyers, and realtors to unknowingly launder their money.
Yeah that sounds about right. Probably conservative estimates, to boot.
First, the United States does not have a beneficial ownership registry, and kleptocrats take advantage of this privacy benefit.
It was about to but then Trump cancelled it before it came in. Shocker.
The economic system where oligarchs use the military industrial complex, insider trading with market manipulation and tariffs to put tax money directly into their pockets?
Tell me you don’t understand democratic socialism without telling me.
Corruptism the American way
She’s trusted, she’s smart, she’s always 10 steps ahead, and most of all, she’s a GOOD person, and incorruptible. She’s thinking about the people, and she makes it very clear she works for US. I don’'t have to agree with everything she’s for, but that’s okay, she’s still the kind of person I want to see in charge.
Why is she incorruptible…? Calling people that seems of dubious wisdom to me 😅 its kinda hard to say whether she’s corruptible until she’s sat in a position of serious power long-term, and generally “incorruptible” isnt a good adjective for humans 😅
Let’s wait for perfect instead. That’ll work out wonderfully!
The last two years should help people remember … if there’s another vote.
I gave up on being happy with election results when Kucinich lost the primary
She’s the epitome of not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
all hail indeed, it can’t come soon enough.
What does AOC and DSA have to do with Epstein ?
Exactly! They are not doing enough or even anything about it!
Yet somehow are wholly responsible
First comment outta the gate. lol
What a joke. She is a fucking opportunist. DSA would be foolish to back her she will spit on them every step of her way to power.
The fuck?
She’s progressive. DSA is progressive. The fuck is your problem?
AOC isn’t left enough for many MLs and neither is the DSA, sadly.
Hence why we call them tankies.
There are MLs in DSA. One of the orgs co-chairs is one
Thanks for the info
You’re forgetting how tankies hate liberals.
We all know how much they hate libs, it’s their most-used pejorative. To be fair though, establishment liberals (eg Schumer) are part of the reason we’re in this mess… I can’t say I hold them in high regard either.
Yes but most tankies seem to hate centrist neoliberal Dems worse than they hate maga republicans. And they consider DSA to be centrist neolibs like the rest if the democratic party.
They’d rather see a trump third term than a Dem or even DSA president.
They don’t really, it’s just that’s what you see in leftist spaces. Really they are just state-sponsered shit-stirrers interested in driving as many wedges between Americans (not exclusively, but America is a big target for geopolitical reasons) as they can. They are worse than zealots; they are unprincipled opportunistic FUD machines.
Truth. It’s a religion.
There are no liberals, only neoliberals.
He’s an .ml user, that’s his problem
There are people in DSA with that person’s opinion.
No there aren’t. there’s a difference between Marxist-Leninist thinkers and trolls like u/antifa_ceo. The former are communists and generally cool folk, the latter are generally Anti-american (not exclusively, but largely) state-sponsered shit-stirrers whose only purpose on the fediverse is to stoke hatred within the left and keep them divided while Trump and co. burn their countries down.
You can either be a communist, or you can support the actions of Putin’s and Xi’s governments. You can’t do both.
No there aren’t
Yes there are.
Liberation condemns Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s continued retreat from socialist politics and rejects any effort to present her as the future presidential standard-bearer for DSA, or for the broader socialist movement.
I could have been clearer. I am sure there are members of the DSA who oppose AOC for ideological reasons, but they have little in common with u/antifa_ceo, an account that exists, near as I can tell, solely to sow discord, dysfunction, and despair in leftist spaces. There are many such accounts on lemmy.ml, a site whose admin and mod team have a long history of claiming to be leftist while legitimizing dictators and censoring criticism of the same.
I realize you also have a .ml account, so I’ll clarify that not everyone on the site is this way. Most .ml accounts are just regular folks, and .ml was heavily promoted on reddit so it became one of the larger fediverse instances. But it is a haven for pro-Imperialist astroturfers and I think you would be well served to find a different server.
Also wrong.
AOC been a sell out for a bit. Cozying up with Schumer and shit
You guys really really love fascists winning, don’t you?
A lot of them apparently think that China is doing all the right things so, yeah.
Where are the Epstein files?
Ahhh, there we go. Incremental improvement is a sucker’s bet, so how’s “burn it all down” going so far?
