Yeah, anyone surprised the empire strikes back? Come on the Brain rit app is gonna get political
You demand answers? The answer is pretty obvious: Zuck wants there to be a king.
Nah, Zuck wants to be the Court Jester.
Maybe. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t want a king.
It blows me away when I meet leftist activists who refuse to stop using corporate social media. The common refrain is “its where everyone is” or “no one uses [insert any decentralized and federated service]”.
You cannot liberate yourself, or the rest of society, when you actively use the tools of your oppressors.
Yes, lets just leave all plattforms where we can get a bit of public reach and remove our ability to respond to people talking about us.
Online propaganda gets more necessary every day and leaving mainstream platforms just destroys any capability for it. Use smaller less controlled platforms for people already on your side but the only way to reach the average people will be on stuff like Instagram as long as it stays popular.
You just gotta get them join the community on a federated or otherwise uncontrolled channel. Just like all these shitty communities want me to join their Discord.
This is how I feel when I meet leftist activists who refuse to stop eating meat
I tried to get about 2 dozen people to leave a Slack channel and move over to a Matrix room.
Wanna guess how many takers I got? And these are all technically proficient people.
Zero.
Look, I agree for the most part. Fuck FB and X and all the rest to hell. But organizers know that you need the most people you can get to have a chance of making a difference. That means you use every tool available for outreach. I’ve seen protests organized entirely on non-corporate platforms and they are… Small. You don’t see those in the news and people driving by generally ignore them. If you can get the hype going through tiktok or facebook or whatever and get hundreds of people on board you can bring attention and make a difference. Now something I’ve seen done is using them to pull more people and then moving those people to decentralized options.
Then funnel them onto the fediverse from corporate social media, as you mentioned. The house is on fire, get them out of it.
Educate people (campaigns), organize tech workshops showing people how to use the other tools, set up local servers that can be used for organizing existing groups. Frame corporate social media as part of the data center problem… There’s so many ways to approach it but as long as you keep using those tools, you will never carry through with getting people onto the fediverse. You can never just move them to decentralized spaces if not enough people use it, so use it (I know you are already though as we’re here :)
Change is hard. But global climate collapse and WW3 are far worse options.
Newsflash: everyone will be there if you move, and bring along one friend, who brings along one friend
I can see how easy that is from how mainstream Lemmy is right now /s
Leftist activists are about as phony as $3 bills. They talk a lot of shit and cannot/willnot walk the walk. Proven time and again.
They hate everything they refuse to let go of.
Oh, this is not just a leftist issue.
Don’t you ever get tired of spreading this same goddamn lie over and over and over and over and over?
You probably shouldn’t assume that monetized leftism is something that’s authentic. Leftism is just a brand that’s fairly profitable.
Hasan Piker is a creation of Jeff Bezos, and now he’s a boogeyman being used to scare people into voting for the party that cuts his taxes.
Thinking wealthy social media influencers are going to bring about some glorious revolution is the flaw here. Wondering why wealthy “leftist” influencers stick with corporate social media is missing the whole point of the scam.
There is only one correct answer: stop using Facebook
after years of saying this, i gave up. people have integrated facebook into their lives to the degree that saying “delete facebook” is pretty much the same as saying “cut your own balls off.” they won’t do it, no matter if they even acknowledge facebook sucks and is a waste of time. that’s rare, though. usually it’s “i can’t leave facebook, i would lose contact with everyone!” same shit with twitter, instagram, ticktock, snapchat–all that bullshit
TIL I’m a eunuch
The reality is you only lose contact with people who don’t matter enough anymore. When I left around 15 years ago I reached out to those I wanted to keep in touch with and made sure I had their number. Anyone else if they looked hard enough could find me elsewhere if they wanted, or already had means to contact me directly. Most did not.
But guess what? My relationships with people are deeper. It’s been wildly positive for me. The only issue I had at the time was missing out on events from acquaintances, but that’s not an issue anymore with alternative apps
people live shallow af lives in general
For me, gradually gathering other contacts methods for my close friends and family. And then eventually permanently delete Facebook – no need for data or whatever, it was mostly garbage anyways.
Same process with changing email providers.
You will be locked out of your local community without Facebook. I’ve been off it for over a decade but needed to get rid of a couch without paying $150 to do it and Facebook was 10 minutes and it’s gone. But a couch is one thing. Anything local requires Facebook.
what’s the $150 to get rid of a couch for? just drive it to the landfill
or call salvation army/goodwill/habitat for humanity-- they’ll come get whatever
Landfill doesn’t take it for free. It’s probably $50 and maybe borrow a trailer and a vehicle with a hitch.
again, i give up. use facebook, because life can’t be lived without it
I would not say life can’t be lived without it, but it’s more so that Facebook has so successfully commodified the public sphere that it seems almost like a natural, inherent part of contemporary communicative actions.
It absolutely can. It just takes a person with a fucking spine.
Nah. I mean I’m off Facebook and own a trailer. I’m actually on your side I’m just trying to be realistic. $150 is too high unless you have to hire a company to haul it away.
You can totally leave Facebook. My wife is still on it but I think she doesn’t use it as much. It’s dying, just far too slowly.
No fucking excuses. If you have an account you are in full spirit of what they do.
It’s the same way everyone talks about how dating apps suck and it’s ruined dating, etc. But what is the real alternative?
I married a very nice girl last month. We met at work 5 years ago.
We need to figure out how to rebuild social relations without the Internet. Otherwise the billionaire class will control access to the opposite gender. For the sake of humanity, go be nice to a stranger.
But what is the real alternative?
Go out and meet people?
But what is the real alternative?
Go out and meet people?
Nowadays they don’t understand how that works.
I get what you’re saying, and to a certain extent you are correct, but where do you go to meet people when all the people you might meet are sitting at home swiping their phone screen?
don’t know where you live but where I live, the outside is full of real people
No they do have a point. How are you to meet people with similar interests, if your similar interests are “Enjoys staying at home and being cozy all day”
if that’s your only interest in life you do not need a partner
It’s the same way everyone talks about how dating apps suck and it’s ruined dating, etc. But what is the real alternative?
dating apps are different in that you’re specifically using it to get a date, instead of trying to make your life look more fun/happy/glamorous than that of your “friends”. once you meet someone and start a relationship, the app served its purpose and (in theory) you stop using it. i’ve never used a dating app, but i can see the value in them for people who are looking for specific less-than-common traits in a partner-- if you’re asexual (for example) and looking for someone who’s the same, then an app might be the only way you can find that someone. the alternative is go out looking on your own every day until you happen across whatever specific thing you’re looking for by chance, which may never happen.
I tell people this and they complain that they cannot part with their precious marketplace. Fucking slaves.
I mean, better Facebook marketplace than buying new. Marketplace has basically entirely replaced Craigslist for buying used stuff, it’s really the only game in town. If they only use it for the marketplace, things could be worse.
Here’s one now.
Alright, my bad. Consumerism is totally great actually. Everyone should just keep buying things new and throwing them away when they don’t want them anymore.
Are you crazy? Everyone should support a soul-stealing anti-minority fascist bank that exists to fund a child-raping criminal dictator- all so they have conveniently buy and sell piles of junk they won’t give a shit about in another year!
… dude. You won’t ever justify supporting this shit.
Who said anything about piles of junk? I buy stuff I was going to buy anyway, just secondhand. My money goes to other people instead of a corporation. Which soul-stealing corporation would you prefer that money go to?
You support everything Facebook is doing. Take a bow. You’re hurting a lot of people.
I remember when the backlash to Xitter was pretty high, culturally. I asked why our company was still using Xitter.
Crickets. And even after he gave the Nazi salute, still no change.
The answer is - “that’s where everyone is”. They aren’t wrong. The network effect sucks.
Meh. “That’s where everyone is” it’s more like that’s where all the bots and algorithmic gatekeeping are. I get way more engagement on mastodon than I ever did on twitter post-2012 algorithm shakeup. Before the algorithmic censorship, I got lots of engagement on twitter. But that twitter hasn’t existed for a long time. When I got on mastodon it was like oh. The algorithm is the entire problem. No wonder OWS and the Arab spring were so big. No wonder the algorithms came after them.
Yeah, it depends on the engagement you are after. Companies are after where all the people are. Not sure if they even care if it’s being propped up by bots and trolls.
Also, companies mostly all just do what other companies do - another network effect. If going on Bluesky or something like Mastodon is not something all the other companies are doing, they won’t.
It’s owned and ran by a openly nazi guy, and is clearly manipulated with his bots, but politicians almost everywhere are still using it. Its crazy
Exactly!!! Share that with your friends!!!
They’re not the only ones.
Reddit stole the r/NoKings subreddit and has locked it out. They claim it’s up for adoption as of 5-months-ago but will of course never cede it to the organizers of No King’s.
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN etc., have barely mentioned it, and it doesn’t remotely come up in Google News save for a sparse few pages of local news stories.
The only good news from representing my area is that while the protest was half the size of past ones, general support from people on the road was much higher with much less dissent.
Reddit is fully up MAGA ass. sPutz is a wannabe Musk so Reddit-anything is going to side with the nazis.
Yanis Varoufakis is right, we are heading into technofeudalism.
Meta is a national security threat.
Oligarchs are a global security threat and must be met with extreme prejudice.
They are the new colonizers. We are the new colonists from which labor and wealth are now extracted through organized deceit, coercion, and sooner or later, force.
There were protests all over my city yesterday and I can find barely any coverage. I even looked at Reddit, which was flooded with No Kings pictures back in March, and there was barely anything for the events yesterday. Definitely sus as hell.
This is the first I’m hearing about it. There was a NoKings protest yesterday?
Check the website: www.nokings.org
This is why protest has to be disruptive. A bunch of people holding funny signs in a park on a Saturday afternoon doesn’t have an impact.
Sure it does. People build networks at these events. One of the tactics of fascism is to make dissenters feel they are alone and maybe crazy for feeling the way they do. These events tell people that they are not alone, and it is actually the authoritarians that are crazy, not them.
For a non-violent resistance campaign to succeed, you need to build up the numbers and reach a threshold of people working together to impede the actions of the authoritarians. You don’t accomplish this by engaging in violent actions, that just scares people away and gives justification for the authoritarians to do violent reprisals. Violent acts actually help the authoritarians gain more power, non-violent resistance drains their power.
I never said protest should he violent. I said it should he disruptive. Violence =/= civil disobedience.
I hate to say it, but yeah. Look @ France. They fuck shit up whenever the government tries to fuck with them, and have a higher standard of living as a result.
Their economy is on the verge of collapse because of this. They borrowed a lot of money to create that high standard of living and “fuck shit up” means someone has to pay to fix things later which also cost money.
It connects people with like minded people who also decided to show up so from a networking and community building perspective it’s not worthless. Lots of people meet the contacts that will later recruit them to knock on doors or phone bank or run for office in the future who would never show up to a town meeting or city council meeting.
Can absolutely confirm. I’m not American so I get most of my news through, well, the news and while I’ve seen people alluding to the protests I’m only getting a fraction of a fraction of the information I was getting in March.
I love this image from San Francisco:
https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:tcvhfoahhoc73kzikoabmevt/post/3my5v7qbxv22y
‘We demand answers’??? Are you joking???
Zuckerberg is practically glued to trump side like a fashion accessory.
‘We demand answers’
Zuckerberg replied: “Dumb fucks”.
Well, technically that is an answer.
So we’re good now right?
Here’s their answer. The fuck are you doing on a fascist platform and expecting anything else?
Well, you don’t always get to choose, for me it’s among other things, my municipality and sports club posting updates and info exclusively on meta platforms. I complained, believe me, but it dalls on deaf ears.
As Geddy once put it.
Even if you choose not to decide. You still have made a choice.
Though believe me when I say I understand you. But we always have a choice. Even if you have to stick with toxic shit like that in the short-term. And if you’re not super techy. Or have the most free time available to focus on something like that yourself. We all can do more than just shout and tell people to move. I say this to myself as well.
When it comes to activities and movements like this. Ones that don’t favor the oligarchs. Centralized platforms are a liability. But they are also unfortunately the best developed. Telling people to move to alternatives. A lot of times means leaving behind Comforts or things they have come to rely on. Which just adds more friction to the friction that already exists over switching. Maybe the community doesn’t exist. Maybe it exists but no one post it. Maybe there’s no one moderating it.
I’m looking at trying to post more frequently to local communities that are neglected on the feddi. Possibly even taking over administration of them. Point is we can always choose. And there’s always a little more we can do regardless of our level of skill. Basically, I guess it’s a situation of we need to be the change we want to see.
Zuck full on cuckmode
The answer appears self evident. Don’t use Meta and that includes INSTAGRAM.
You would think, but I still see that little ‘f’ at the bottom of soooo many webpages.
Yeah, but there are also r’s for reddit and look where that got us.
This is pretty awesome. It will force people to use platforms that are ACTUALLY secure, like Signal.
Meta, in conjunction with the US government, is going to make it harder to surveil protesters. How elegant!
Oh random election rules that changed all at once?
It’s like 2024 again. This is part of the reason so many of us are here on Lemmy or BlueSky or whatever, we need to figure out alternative means of discussion.
I would have thought the answers would be self-evident.
Meta/Facebook has literally had political dissidents killed in other countries. Do not think they will hesitate to do the same in their own. Specifically, they gave up GPS/location information on dissidents trying to work together against the government. They were killed. Facebook knew exactly what would happen to them and could have told the dictator to pound sand, but then they might not be allowed to operate there.
Don’t use popular social media like Facebook, X, Reddit, or Discord for any kind of protest. They will always bend the knee to the ‘kings’ you’re protesting against. Every fucken time.
This is the very least shocking thing about Tech Bros. I remember laughing right in the face of someone that told me they had to be on Parler because “Big Tech” was so liberal that they kept canceling conservatives and shadow banning them, etc.
I asked what kinds of “conservative” things they were posting on “Big Tech” that supposedly resulted in that?
You attempt to use one of the instruments of your oppression against the system that wields it. That was never going to work.
I didn’t hear anything about these protests. Not even on Lemmy. But I don’t use Facebook products nor reddit, so my information sources are a little spotty.
