This is unacceptable. And I’m sick of all the fucking workarounds to maintain basic privacy.
bet you $100 it won’t?
However, the EFF believes that operating system providers such as Apple, Google, and Microsoft will require more personal information.
To protect the children, of course.
The real workaround is using Linux. Age verification isn’t truly enforceable in Open Source software
Apps will get your age range from your operating system using an application programming interface (API). In other words, they’ll ask the operating system for your age range and get a response.
It’s likely that we’ll get block if on Linux unless if the OS has a token for that check.
But I agree with you, Linux is the way to go. Windows will end up being a surveillance camera first and foremost, especially if you couple the “age” check with the cloud integration.
mine won’t :)
Lol, run a real OS you technotards. I use arch Linux btw.
The Illinois age verification law, however, applies to Linux distributions and other open-source operating systems.
Get fucked Illinois.
Their gun laws are inane too
If by “insane” you mean barely adequate, then I agree.
“Inane” not “insane”
Whats the difference
They are two different words, with distinct meanings.
No, s is.
goddammit of ALL the states, why IL???
As a European I didn’t know much about Illinois, weird place, ¾th of the whole state live in the metropolitan area around and in Chicago.
Yeah thats how populations work everywhere, majority of people are in the cities. Europe, as well as the entire rest of the planet is like that.
I2P and onion don’t need it
forbidden fidget toy
What are you supposed to do with work laptops and such that get passed around? Head of IT supposed to submit their ID for each one?
Shut the fuck up, nobody cares about your robot fanfiction. Know your fucking place, trash! Fucking robots, I don’t talk about no robots. They got no soul.
- FilthyFrank
I will not comply. I do not care how hard it makes my life. This is a line in the sand I will not cross. If a social media asks me to upload my government-issued ID, that’s the end of that social media. If a computer asks me to use my government ID to use it, that’s not a computer I will use. The only online service I can see that would need my government issued ID is my bank. And that’s only because they are required to collect it in order for me to have an account. Everything else can go fuck right off.
The only thing I’m most worried about is losing my job over non compliance. I can handle not participating in society. But if that’s what it takes to draw the line, I’m really considering it now and finding an alternative way to live. It’s dumb that this can even be allowed. But at this point, it’s obvious that the top just wants wage slaves to exploit in every way possible. I can’t imagine my kids growing up like that, ya know? It’s got to stop
Monero jobs.
No, it won’t. Or I’d just uninstall that package.
Currently, the age requirement is attestation. You click through an age gate.
So essentially its the same as most social media, which currently requires you are over 13. Kids have long learned to lie about their age to set up social media accounts.
Laws may get passed to require an ID check or confirmation, but at that point that’ll require telling the device (and its corporate masters) your identity and I think that’s going to interact with privacy rights.
I learned in the USENET days to adopt a handle, to keep my meat identity separate from my online identity. We’re going to have to learn that again.
Open/libre source operating systems won’t. No matter where you live. As long as all purpose computers exist.
Enjoy not being able to use your bank, major websites, email, online shopping, pay utility bills, do basic and required civic functions online (that require alternatives of driving long distances and/or waiting on the phone for long periods of time), etc because your open source operating system doesn’t pass the attestation check.
Maybe not long after Google, Cloudflare and others will just block you behind anti-bot defenses because you don’t pass such a check and only bots would not pass such a check.
Hiding on Linux is not a solution to a legal problem. It’s at best punting.
This stuff is either defeated or you’ll enjoy living as a hermit cut off from society with your perfectly private, perfectly offline computer.
If general computers are outlawed, only outlaws will have general computers.
I use an open source browser with a hardware TAN generator for banking. I pay with an NFC card. All the websites I care about work with open standards. Fuck the rest. I am perfectly able to run my own email servers. If online shopping requres proprietary bullshit they lose me as a customer. My bills are direct debit. No, there are no basic and requred civic functions that must happen online. I simply walk or go there to do that in person.
I am already frequently blocked by Cloudflare because I use an always on VPN and only open source tooling. I simply cease to use such services.
You are correct that the proper solution to fascism is to go away or to kill them.
Besides, less facebook means more sanity. Nothing real happens in 99% of cyberspace.
Edit: so, my bank freaks out if I vpn through Santiago, lemmy.world freaks out if I vpn through Brussels.
How about you shut up with your defeatist bullshit and help push back
That does sound enjoyable. I wouldn’t consider that a hermit though, quite the opposite. Going out in my own neighborhood and doing things sounds much better than all that other crap. That is actually being part of society.
I am not sure this is the negative you think it is. If my electric company and bank wont give my an avenue to simply pay bills (I hate online bill pay already) and I don’t have to spend hours trying to talk to an AI chat bot online for costumer support, I am not sure I care that much.
If my bank is uninterested in serving me then maybe I need to change banks. Fuck them. I know you are going to say they will all be this way. Ok set up my own, I have gotten around this bullshit before.
I already to deal with a lot of this. I am not allowed to interact with a lot of places due to region bullshit when I am working remotely in various countries. It is already annoying.
What I’m about to say, I say only as an alternative in conjunction with fighting legislatively: It’s time many of us alter our behaviors to accommodate these crackdowns. Not as a matter of subservience, please don’t think I mean it that way, but as a matter of practicality and survival. Make cash withdrawals when possible to pay for goods and services. Transition back to paper bills. Separate from computers where you can, while also understanding that the places you can’t, you’re just going to have to deal with the bullshit. Resist where practical, if only for your own sanity.
Well said. A lot of the freedoms we enjoy are a use it or lose it scenario. For example a business is more likely to stop accepting cash if only 1% of their customers use it, so I still use it even though I would often prefer my card.
We need to collectively abandon tech that insists on any of this. I post about this often, but I’ll say it again: this will come with discomfort; you need to be okay with that temporarily.
These ghouls cannot withstand weeks / months of boycott. They simply can’t, daddy earning reports and the shareholders won’t allow it.
ID required for computer use in general has to be my line in the sand and that scares the fuck outta me. I have no idea how to make ends meet for the people who depend on me, if I have to walk away from computers, but there has to be a line somewhere.
The problem is that they made people addicted first. This is like saying “Everyone, we need to boycott heroin until they stop cutting it with fentanyl!”
What we need is to take over the government and enact and enforce laws against this. Hopefully by voting.
We’ve been voting all this time while they dreamed this up in some island. It’s unanimous and worldwide. Get real.
Fuck off with your defeatist bullshit. Get in the streets and help protest
Pick up fpv drone flying as a hobby. Try out fiber optic drones.
Its like the first thing in my post “this will cause discomfort”
I didn’t say it was going to be easy at all, its going to be hard, but with some conviction in the values / morals informing your reason for protest its actually easy after that initial week is over.
Edit: its also infinitely easier to enact change like this in your own life than to smash a grand slam with a “government takeover.”. Not saying that wouldn’t be great, but let’s start with the things we have control over.
Also, you can just do both; vote and boycott…
Hopefully not by voting. I absolutely loath peoples misplaced trust in bureaucratic mechanisms. If you want something done you do it, I’m not going to vote for someone in one of the pre-approved parties, just for them to give 40 reasons why it’s unreasonable. You are never allowed to vote when it could actually create change, remember that.
Run for office, then. And if that isn’t possible, then it’s time for more radical measures.
Voting won’t fix everything, but there is a good reason voter suppression exists and why most people had to have their right to vote fought for.
Sheeeit, I live in a state where we directly voted for a particular thing, like overwhelmingly the public said “yeah, do things this way for fuck’s sake!”
And the legislators? They said “we don’t think that’s in your best interest, actually, so no, don’t think we will”. And that was the end of that. (Actually not really, they did similar stuff with a couple other things too, including screwing our teachers enough to get them to organize a bit despite how heavy their workloads already are, damn was I eager to help with that!).
Voting to solve problems. Lol!!
spoiler
Dear reader, if this is you, you don’t have to begin anew the tired recapitulation of the arguments - I do vote, like a chump, every chance I get, while also knowing we simply cannot vote our way out of this, that has been engineered (and continually is!) to never happen.
Thank you for the clarification in the spoiler. It makes your argument way stronger.
We’ve lost organizational power in this country because the pedophile class has been destroying even slightly liberal third spaces. Christian coffee shops talks politics everyday, no one bats an eye. But god forbid a business support a queer person, then everyone will boycott that business because theyre doing politics.
Find your local third spaces that kinda support you, and build a community of spenders and force the third space to support you more.
Bingo. Voting does absolutely nothing & has never solved anything. All you’re doing is replacing corrupt politicians with more corrupt politicians in which the majority of them are bought & paid for & are handpicked by their wealthy donors.
It’s one of the reasons why I left the Democrat party in late 2022 & became politically homeless & turned to Anarchy.
The real answer, is something like grassroots. Civil disobedience. General strikes. A riot. A revolution. Those are what will spark real change. Voting is an illusion of choice. A sham. A fool’s errand.
You’re right that grassroots is the answer. But voting is still part of the solution.
We’re needing broad change, everywhere. Don’t want Flock in your neighborhood? City council. Don’t want a data center in your neighborhood? City council.
City council is a body of what 7 people? That can immediately impact your daily life. If your town is banning Flock, and data centers, and doing a good job, then your neighboring towns will too.
And it really doesn’t take that many people to sway the outcome of a city council election.
But here’s where it gets scary: the pedophile elite has been destroying liberal leaning 3rd spaces for the past 10 or more years, while propping up right wing third spaces. Every single Christian coffee shop is a breeding ground for Nazism. The challenge in getting a city council that works for you, is creating a community that works for you.
And every single person that goes to the Christian coffee shop will stop supporting the local business that supports the queer community, “because they don’t do politics.”
Vote from the ground up. Promote local leaders. And while you’re voting for them, vote in a way that will at least delay fascism till your local leader has the experience to compete with the shitheads like Schumer.
So abandon everything then?
No, just tech that demands age
which is going to be all tech legally required to :(
I grew up in a time of technology being a liberating force that helped us live in a society more firmly based on individual rights.
I no longer live in that world.
All tech?
Not doubting, just hoping for a little more sanity.You’re not limited to tech that complies with laws.
No it won’t be all tech, that’s just giving into FUD. People run servers out of their house, people write software. People used to use websites Joe Shmoe wrote and ran in his basement. If you choose to use things like meta and google it is exactly that, a choice. Tor network, I2P network, Gnutella, freenet, usenet, torrenting, these are and always will be options unless the entire internet infrastructure is burned to the ground.
Yeah, Twitter did already because I connected with a VPN once. Good, no more Twitter then.
People need to fight back! But I guess it’s already too late. They’ve already succeeded in dividing the young people, so there can be no coordination or solidarity. Brainrot is real!
Too early to admit defeat. Young people have their limits, too, and grow more aware of the shortcomings of modern corporate tech than their parents. They are also the first to embrace new circumvention techniques, along with entire new ways of communication.
The battle’s far from over.
