apparently women specifically, which is kinda strange?
It’s specifically a report/recommendation of discussion points on the status of women (and not any kind of law btw), so talking about men would be out of scope.
It means that the EU will adopt the position that trans women should be recognized as women for an upcoming UN session, but it has no immediate effect on the legal status of trans people in Europe.
Not trans men too?
first lesson to being a man is learning noone cares about you
(cries internally)
That’s very silly but I only asked because I have a couple of trans male friends
It’s a document about women, not about trans people, so trans men just weren’t covered. The line about trans women is a single very short clause to make sure they’re included in all the other stuff
Trans men are men.
So they can just get over it.
Trans men will have their squishy feelings ignored like the rest of us men. It is the ultimate acceptance.
Paying attention to a trans man’s feelings would only give them feelings of gender dysphoria.
as already mentioned, it’s a policy statement on women in particular, so trans men aren’t relevant
“Men aren’t relevant”.
@whaleross@lemmy.world is right. It is the ultimate acceptance.
Welcome to the club, boys. Now you are on your own. Enjoy the privileged life!
I dunno about you, but as a man I really don’t see why I should be upset about not being in a document about women. Not every conversation has to be about me.
yeah, I’m feeling a bit clueless as to why this is feeling like such an injury to men …
unhelpful rant
and as an aside, do they not realize how much their feelings and desires as men are centered in society all the time, as a default?
the world has been built for them with rarely a thought to the contrary e.g.
- women haven’t been included in clinical trials, and women end up in the hospital at much higher rates than men because of drug complications as a result
- crash testing is mostly modeled on men and this results in greater rates of injuries and fatalities for women in car accidents
- phone sizes are sized based around male hands sizes making them too large for women
- the thermostats in public are set to temperatures more comfortable for men than women
- CPR dummies are only ever male and CPR training on female bodies is not common, resulting in increased deaths because people don’t feel comfortable performing CPR on women (either due to sexualization of women and modesty norms, or lack of confidence from not training on a female body).
- the number of bathroom stalls is based on men’s needs, resulting in long waiting lines to use the women’s room
Even the idea of women being in public has been a rather recent change in the West, only in the past couple centuries, and at first women always had to be kept in segregated spaces away from men - they had to ride in their own train cars, use their own library rooms, etc.
Women in the US only recently managed to own their own property, secure their own lines of credit, have their own bank accounts, etc. - the only thing like this applied to men has been slavery, but even that was applied to men and women, not men exclusively.
Advancement for women does not diminish men, and it’s so weird to see such sensitivity and fear from the elevation of women from sub-human status to closer-to-equal status.
That said, obviously patriarchy informs toxic gender norms that tell men that they shouldn’t express or have feelings, and those norms are reinforced by both men and women - but the problem is still the patriarchy, not the elevation of women or the movement for gender equality (i.e. feminism).
The issue with this is the men society is catering to are some sort of patriachial male ideal, which is very toxic and unhealthy for many real-world men. So no, society doesn’t really cater to the feelings of men.
Though that doesn’t really matter for the stuff you mentioned that’s just about male biology. And obviously this isn’t the place to bring up men in the first place.
“Hello, I’m here for the patriarchy. I was told I would have privileges. When can I expect my salary?”
“Yes, HR, I need to file a complaint. I’m told by all the women here that I’m supposed to be making more than them but that doesn’t actually seem to be the case. Will you please look into addressing that discrepancy?”
“Also, I’m ready for my lunch now, so please send a maid. I did not receive my coffee this morning as expected, which I was told would be a part of my male privilege. Do you even view me as a man?”
Why do you feel the need to derail the victories of certain people with your victim complex? Do you undermine feminist discussions by disingenuously asking why they don’t care about men?
I honestly thought they were mostly joking, the way I read this thread. Otherwise, I might have to take back my upvotes. Or I will now just take them back pre-emptively, just in case.
Of course we were joking. I kind of thought that would be obvious.
You are right. I should just deal with it.
FUCK YEAH YUROPE #1 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
What are the practical effects of this vote?
Biologically speaking, this is a step in the wrong direction. If they compete, they will have advantages over biological females. Why aren’t they focusing on more important things? I mean, its not like the entire world is going crazy or anything…
Ngl, it’ll only be for the better If state-backed sport competitions would finally start to die out because of that. The big sports industry is a huge waste of money, that only cripples people.
Sports really isn’t that important compared to other issues. You were the one who brought it up.
But this is also a non-issue because trans women are underperfoming in sports and in many cases they actually have disadvantages, e.g. because of testosterone levels that are often lower than those of cis women.
And even if there was an advantage, that’s just how literally all of sports works. Do you want to ban cis women who are tall or have naturally high testosterone? Should Michael Phelps be banned because he has a biological advantage?
Biologically speaking, this debate remains stupid. Also, all females are biological.
You view this entirely from the perspective of sport? It’s not about sport it is about human rights.
Tell me you know jackshit about biology without telling me you know jackshit about biology.
