Not trans men too?
It’s a document about women, not about trans people, so trans men just weren’t covered. The line about trans women is a single very short clause to make sure they’re included in all the other stuff
apparently women specifically, which is kinda strange?
It’s specifically a report/recommendation of discussion points on the status of women (and not any kind of law btw), so talking about men would be out of scope.
It means that the EU will adopt the position that trans women should be recognized as women for an upcoming UN session, but it has no immediate effect on the legal status of trans people in Europe.
Trans men are men.
So they can just get over it.
Trans men will have their squishy feelings ignored like the rest of us men. It is the ultimate acceptance.
Paying attention to a trans man’s feelings would only give them feelings of gender dysphoria.
as already mentioned, it’s a policy statement on women in particular, so trans men aren’t relevant
“Men aren’t relevant”.
@whaleross@lemmy.world is right. It is the ultimate acceptance.
Welcome to the club, boys. Now you are on your own. Enjoy the privileged life!
I dunno about you, but as a man I really don’t see why I should be upset about not being in a document about women. Not every conversation has to be about me.
yeah, I’m feeling a bit clueless as to why this is feeling like such an injury to men …
unhelpful rant
and as an aside, do they not realize how much their feelings and desires as men are centered in society all the time, as a default?
the world has been built for them with rarely a thought to the contrary - women haven’t been included in clinical trials, and women end up in the hospital at much higher rates than men because of drug complications as a result.
Even the idea of women being in public has been a rather recent change in the West, only in the past couple centuries, and at first women always had to be kept in segregated spaces away from men - they had to ride in their own train cars, use their own library rooms, etc.
Women in the US only recently managed to own their own property, secure their own lines of credit, have their own bank accounts, etc. - the only thing like this applied to men has been slavery, but even that was applied to men and women, not men exclusively.
Advancement for women does not diminish men, and it’s so weird to see such sensitivity and fear from the elevation of women from sub-human status to closer-to-equal status.
“Hello, I’m here for the patriarchy. I was told I would have privileges. When can I expect my salary?”
“Yes, HR, I need to file a complaint. I’m told by all the women here that I’m supposed to be making more than them but that doesn’t actually seem to be the case. Will you please look into addressing that discrepancy?”
“Also, I’m ready for my lunch now, so please send a maid. I did not receive my coffee this morning as expected, which I was told would be a part of my male privilege. Do you even view me as a man?”
Why do you feel the need to derail the victories of certain people with your victim complex? Do you undermine feminist discussions by disingenuously asking why they don’t care about men?
I honestly thought they were mostly joking, the way I read this thread. Otherwise, I might have to take back my upvotes. Or I will now just take them back pre-emptively, just in case.
You are right. I should just deal with it.
FUCK YEAH YUROPE #1 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
What are the practical effects of this vote?
Biologically speaking, this is a step in the wrong direction. If they compete, they will have advantages over biological females. Why aren’t they focusing on more important things? I mean, its not like the entire world is going crazy or anything…
Sports really isn’t that important compared to other issues. You were the one who brought it up.
But this is also a non-issue because trans women are underperfoming in sports and in many cases they actually have disadvantages, e.g. because of testosterone levels that are often lower than those of cis women.
And even if there was an advantage, that’s just how literally all of sports works. Do you want to ban cis women who are tall or have naturally high testosterone? Should Michael Phelps be banned because he has a biological advantage?
Biologically speaking, this debate remains stupid. Also, all females are biological.
You view this entirely from the perspective of sport? It’s not about sport it is about human rights.
Tell me you know jackshit about biology without telling me you know jackshit about biology.
