Non-voters lack deductive reasoning. They fail to understand that if Harris doesn’t win, Trump wins. They can’t grasp that eliminating one option leaves only the alternative.
Perhaps if they banded together, they could get support for a third candidate. It would be difficult but I suppose trying would have been better than refusing to vote against fascism.
They don’t like the rules of the game, so they refused to play
Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.
Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.
You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party, 1st past the post election but you’re “capable of winning elections” and you’re gonna “carry” folks? Get the fuck out of here with that delusional bullshit.
You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party,
This is why I keep whipping out the perjoratives. There are single celled creatures showing more reading comprehension then this cult. You lost the fucking election relying on a false assumption of voter behavior and all you are doing is enforcing the demonstrated observation that you dont get how elections work.
You donʻt understand how elections work. Just shut the fuck up and stay the fuck out. This shit is too complicated for you.
I didn’t lose shit. I’m not a rah-rah DNC supporter and I didn’t have shit to do with all the brain dead decisions by the DNC that helped get us to this point. You don’t know me and you can fuck right off with that noise.
Once we have a choice between center right, status quo candidate and far right, authoritarian, racist, rapist, felonious, pedophile, the choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum. I hate that the DNC refused to take a moral stand against Palestinean genocide but I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris. Do you think we are better off now that one of our few unequivically anti genocide representatives is being threatend with deportation?
The world is a terrible messy moral minefield and the US political system is absolute shit but reasonable, responsible adults accept reality and try to navigate towards the best possible outcomes. Stop acting like a sullen child. I hope you don’t live in a swing state.
There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this. You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever. There is no pathway to Democrats winning in 2024 other than for the candidate to oppose the genocide. You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris.
THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!!
Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
And there was one path to stopping Trump once it was clear that the only opposition party was too dumb or corrupt to run an anti genocide candidate.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this.
True. I never claimed otherwise. You also don’t get to change the way elections or math or reality work just by yelling at straw men on the internet. But here we are.
You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever.
I can understand how people behave and still get trolled into an argument when one if them says something wildly delusional. My approval doesn’t matter yet you chose to rant and rail at me.🤷🏾
You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
Yeah. So we got presented with a real life trolley problem where we can choose between slow moving genocide that we have some hope of slowing or stopping or turbo ultra bullet train genocide with a chance of extra foreign and domestic genocide on the side. As much as I hate being called a “soft supporter” of genocide, I fail to see how inaction, leading to an inevitable turbo genocide, is somehow the moral high ground.
I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris. THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!! Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
Can you read? Are there more Palestinians alive today than there would be in a hypothetical Harris administration? I never claimed that there was no genocide under Biden or that it would magically disappear under Harris. And my claim was absolutely a thought experiment since it is comparing our present timeline with an unknowable hypothetical parallel timeline. But my bad, obviously proposing a thought experiment to this audience was a fool’s errand.
Its fucking irrelevant because Biden and Harris DID sponsor a genocide. Voters don’t fucking vote based on what you decide harm reduction to be. They see two pieces of shit doing a genocide and they say “No.”, which is what they did. The concept of “harm reduction” is fucking astrology for lincoln republicans. Voters don’t fucking vote that way, if you even accept that Harris was “harm reduction” (She was literally in the seat of power and did nothing, so miss me that Harris or Biden were “harm reduction”).
Harm reduction is fucking irrelevant because its not how voters vote. They saw one genocide supporting candidate, rejected them, and the party establishment handed them a second one. That strategy, which depended a, frankly, white supremacist vision of “harm reduction”, lost the fucking election.
So no. The only option was to get the candidate to change their position. There was no other path.
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide. You and your fellow apologists are the ones who need to wake up.
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide.
No one is denying that. Trump being in power is the fault of both Democrats and non-voters.
But guess which of the two categories has been harmed more by the result? I don’t see Kamala begging on the street because she can’t afford groceries. They never really had anything to lose.
No it’s understanding the very basic mechanics of how elections work, something you can count on those who will reliably caucus with fascists to perpetually misunderstand because white supremacist requires them to not understand.
When leftists fail to have a single viable candidate again and the choices are between Tucker Carlson and Gavin Newsom you guys are going to scream both sides are the same again and throw the election to Tucker.
Your only logical conclusion then, since voters don’t vote how you want them to, is to demand a better candidate then Gavin Newsom. Anything other than that is you sponsoring fascism (again), because you know now, that both a) voters aren’t going to vote for a Gavin Newsom, and b) voters can’t be changed to vote how you think they should be.
She was a fucking cop who supported Israeli genocide. She literally would have been better than trump, for sure. Don’t get me wrong. But what the fuck man. You’re gonna blame people who couldn’t vote for genocide cop for the fact that pedo realtor is president?
Absolutely, funny how you remove genocide from Trump’s title he’s been rather enthusiastic about it.
And sure you can call a district attorney a cop if you want to, but what do you call the man that’s set up his own secret police force to brutalize the populace?
Yeah I mean I could not have been any clearer but once again, obviously trump is far worse than Harris could have ever hoped to be. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince here.
Yeah anyone who doesn’t bow down to your particular version of reality is a genocidal pedophile rapist transphobe. We’ve heard it before, you’re just MAGA in a rainbow colored keffiyeh, it’s not about politics, it’s about you, your narcissism, and a pathological need to project moral superiority. You’re just as much of a threat to democracy as MAGA is, it’s the same mechanism, it’s the same fundamental fascism, you just happened to hop on another bus.
The left has been usurped by adolescent culture warriors who don’t give a shit about anything except being outraged about their flavor of the month identities not being taken seriously. It’s vile, it doesn’t belong to us, they just latched on and now we can’t get rid of them. If I was conspiratorial I’d say it’s a psyop because they’ve done nothing but harm to the real left, to the workers, to the proletariat, to actual humanitarian change, it’s all performative purity testing bullshit.
It’s like a little club they made for themselves, more like being part of a band fanclub or console fanboys than having anything to do with actual politics and creating an equitable society for all. It’s fucking ridiculous.
Every eligible voter who decided that not voting was better than voting for Harris has blood on their hands too.
Non-voters lack deductive reasoning. They fail to understand that if Harris doesn’t win, Trump wins. They can’t grasp that eliminating one option leaves only the alternative.
Perhaps if they banded together, they could get support for a third candidate. It would be difficult but I suppose trying would have been better than refusing to vote against fascism.
They don’t like the rules of the game, so they refused to play
We’ve been through this. It was centrist pushing genocide that lost the election. You keep putting out this fascist trope.
Yes we have been through this and what you said was horse shit, still is.
The more dumb things Trump does the dumber this argument becomes.
Uh no. But just please stay out of elections or politics so we don’t lose again. Just take the back seat and let those of us who are capable of winning elections lead. We’ll carry you, in-spite of your insistence that you damage everyone through your behavior.
You aren’t capable of doing the math on a 2 party, 1st past the post election but you’re “capable of winning elections” and you’re gonna “carry” folks? Get the fuck out of here with that delusional bullshit.
This is why I keep whipping out the perjoratives. There are single celled creatures showing more reading comprehension then this cult. You lost the fucking election relying on a false assumption of voter behavior and all you are doing is enforcing the demonstrated observation that you dont get how elections work.
You donʻt understand how elections work. Just shut the fuck up and stay the fuck out. This shit is too complicated for you.
I didn’t lose shit. I’m not a rah-rah DNC supporter and I didn’t have shit to do with all the brain dead decisions by the DNC that helped get us to this point. You don’t know me and you can fuck right off with that noise.
Once we have a choice between center right, status quo candidate and far right, authoritarian, racist, rapist, felonious, pedophile, the choice is clear to anyone who isn’t a toddler throwing a tantrum. I hate that the DNC refused to take a moral stand against Palestinean genocide but I’d bet everything I own that there would be more Palestineans alive today under President Harris. Do you think we are better off now that one of our few unequivically anti genocide representatives is being threatend with deportation?
The world is a terrible messy moral minefield and the US political system is absolute shit but reasonable, responsible adults accept reality and try to navigate towards the best possible outcomes. Stop acting like a sullen child. I hope you don’t live in a swing state.
There was one path to stopping Trump when voters made it impeccably clear that they wouldn’t vote for a pro-genocide candidate in the primaries.
You donʻt get to dictate how voters behave. No politician or campaign or commenter gets to decide this. You not understanding how voters behave, or not approving of their behavior has no fucking bearing whatsoever. There is no pathway to Democrats winning in 2024 other than for the candidate to oppose the genocide. You having contempt for voters because you soft-supported a genocide doesnʻt change that.
THE GENOCIDE LITERALLY HAPPENED UNDER BIDEN AND FUCKING HARRIS!!! THIS ISN’T A FUCKING THOUGHT EXPERIMENT!!! ITS WHAT FUCKING HAPPENED!!!
Where and when do I get to take possession of everything you own?
And there was one path to stopping Trump once it was clear that the only opposition party was too dumb or corrupt to run an anti genocide candidate.
True. I never claimed otherwise. You also don’t get to change the way elections or math or reality work just by yelling at straw men on the internet. But here we are.
I can understand how people behave and still get trolled into an argument when one if them says something wildly delusional. My approval doesn’t matter yet you chose to rant and rail at me.🤷🏾
Yeah. So we got presented with a real life trolley problem where we can choose between slow moving genocide that we have some hope of slowing or stopping or turbo ultra bullet train genocide with a chance of extra foreign and domestic genocide on the side. As much as I hate being called a “soft supporter” of genocide, I fail to see how inaction, leading to an inevitable turbo genocide, is somehow the moral high ground.
Can you read? Are there more Palestinians alive today than there would be in a hypothetical Harris administration? I never claimed that there was no genocide under Biden or that it would magically disappear under Harris. And my claim was absolutely a thought experiment since it is comparing our present timeline with an unknowable hypothetical parallel timeline. But my bad, obviously proposing a thought experiment to this audience was a fool’s errand.
Wishing you the same
Yeah I bet you’re super involved in politics.
Yes. People actually involved in politics understand these things. Recognize your betters.
This is a truly unhinged take.
If you find reality unhinged, perhaps it’s you that needs hinging.
If Trump and Harris were threatening the same genocide, but Trump had more targets than just Palestine, wouldn’t Harris be the harm reduction choice?
Its fucking irrelevant because Biden and Harris DID sponsor a genocide. Voters don’t fucking vote based on what you decide harm reduction to be. They see two pieces of shit doing a genocide and they say “No.”, which is what they did. The concept of “harm reduction” is fucking astrology for lincoln republicans. Voters don’t fucking vote that way, if you even accept that Harris was “harm reduction” (She was literally in the seat of power and did nothing, so miss me that Harris or Biden were “harm reduction”).
Harm reduction is fucking irrelevant because its not how voters vote. They saw one genocide supporting candidate, rejected them, and the party establishment handed them a second one. That strategy, which depended a, frankly, white supremacist vision of “harm reduction”, lost the fucking election.
So no. The only option was to get the candidate to change their position. There was no other path.
How is Trump not a pro genocide candidate? How does this make sense?
Who was President and vice President, and politically immovable while Israel was flattening Gaza with 2000lb bombs?
Like, I’m going to say this, you won’t understand it, but it is true, and someday you might. So this is for your future self:
You live in a fiction of your own creation. The version of reality you inhabit is a fantasy.
Thanks Neo… So are the bombs dropped any different now?
This is the outcome you were insisting on, so you tell me.
after everything Trump has done, you’re still holding on to this? lmao bro
go into Palestine and tell them harm reduction would have been worse and you helped vote trump in
Yeah cus we never needed to lose to them. Losing to them was a fucking choice by people who were I bothered by a genocide.
wake up to the reality we have
you don’t have to like it
struggle all you want to try to make it better
but don’t fucking lie to yoursels
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide. You and your fellow apologists are the ones who need to wake up.
No one is denying that. Trump being in power is the fault of both Democrats and non-voters.
But guess which of the two categories has been harmed more by the result? I don’t see Kamala begging on the street because she can’t afford groceries. They never really had anything to lose.
That right-wing/russian/tankie propaganda really did a number to leftist’s critical thinking skills and turned you into single issue (non)voters.
It’s sad to see.
No it’s understanding the very basic mechanics of how elections work, something you can count on those who will reliably caucus with fascists to perpetually misunderstand because white supremacist requires them to not understand.
When leftists fail to have a single viable candidate again and the choices are between Tucker Carlson and Gavin Newsom you guys are going to scream both sides are the same again and throw the election to Tucker.
Your only logical conclusion then, since voters don’t vote how you want them to, is to demand a better candidate then Gavin Newsom. Anything other than that is you sponsoring fascism (again), because you know now, that both a) voters aren’t going to vote for a Gavin Newsom, and b) voters can’t be changed to vote how you think they should be.
Lefts will find reasons not to vote for anyone.
I see idiots talking about how AOC is too far right here constantly.
By calling liberals fascist you’re doing the real fascists a favor by normalizing it.
The only things you’ll be remembered for will be defending a genocide to such an extent you were willing to sacrifice an election for it.
Better than tanking a smart woman of color’s chance to make the world a better place because I fell for some right-wing/russian/tankie propaganda.
She was a fucking cop who supported Israeli genocide. She literally would have been better than trump, for sure. Don’t get me wrong. But what the fuck man. You’re gonna blame people who couldn’t vote for genocide cop for the fact that pedo realtor is president?
Absolutely, funny how you remove genocide from Trump’s title he’s been rather enthusiastic about it.
And sure you can call a district attorney a cop if you want to, but what do you call the man that’s set up his own secret police force to brutalize the populace?
Yeah I mean I could not have been any clearer but once again, obviously trump is far worse than Harris could have ever hoped to be. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince here.
You keep saying that Trump is worse and then immediately follow it with a “but” about Harris. Perhaps you need to convince yourself
Yes.
An ahistorical presentation of events.
Only to those with their heads so far up their asses that they’re staring at their own tonsils.
You already sit in the “conspiracy theory” bin of history with regards to your presentation.
the votes disagree.
Yeah anyone who doesn’t bow down to your particular version of reality is a genocidal pedophile rapist transphobe. We’ve heard it before, you’re just MAGA in a rainbow colored keffiyeh, it’s not about politics, it’s about you, your narcissism, and a pathological need to project moral superiority. You’re just as much of a threat to democracy as MAGA is, it’s the same mechanism, it’s the same fundamental fascism, you just happened to hop on another bus.
Nonsense
Leftists need to spend some time studying reality along with their theory.
The left has been usurped by adolescent culture warriors who don’t give a shit about anything except being outraged about their flavor of the month identities not being taken seriously. It’s vile, it doesn’t belong to us, they just latched on and now we can’t get rid of them. If I was conspiratorial I’d say it’s a psyop because they’ve done nothing but harm to the real left, to the workers, to the proletariat, to actual humanitarian change, it’s all performative purity testing bullshit.
It’s like a little club they made for themselves, more like being part of a band fanclub or console fanboys than having anything to do with actual politics and creating an equitable society for all. It’s fucking ridiculous.