Its fucking irrelevant because Biden and Harris DID sponsor a genocide. Voters don’t fucking vote based on what you decide harm reduction to be. They see two pieces of shit doing a genocide and they say “No.”, which is what they did. The concept of “harm reduction” is fucking astrology for lincoln republicans. Voters don’t fucking vote that way, if you even accept that Harris was “harm reduction” (She was literally in the seat of power and did nothing, so miss me that Harris or Biden were “harm reduction”).
Harm reduction is fucking irrelevant because its not how voters vote. They saw one genocide supporting candidate, rejected them, and the party establishment handed them a second one. That strategy, which depended a, frankly, white supremacist vision of “harm reduction”, lost the fucking election.
So no. The only option was to get the candidate to change their position. There was no other path.
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide. You and your fellow apologists are the ones who need to wake up.
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide.
No one is denying that. Trump being in power is the fault of both Democrats and non-voters.
But guess which of the two categories has been harmed more by the result? I don’t see Kamala begging on the street because she can’t afford groceries. They never really had anything to lose.
All of mainstream media and half of lemmy is still denying this. Look around this thread.
Link me to a single comment in this post saying Harris was awesome and that she did the best she could to win. They’re all saying she was far from perfect, or even from a good candidate, but voting her was still the correct choice.
Which is why I think Biden at least, half his cabinet, and potentially Harris should be arrested for the war crime of funding a genocide
Ok, cool, no issues with that. Who’s gonna do it when we have other politicians doing that in addition to… literally this article for example, and they’re still governing with no repercussions?
No it’s understanding the very basic mechanics of how elections work, something you can count on those who will reliably caucus with fascists to perpetually misunderstand because white supremacist requires them to not understand.
When leftists fail to have a single viable candidate again and the choices are between Tucker Carlson and Gavin Newsom you guys are going to scream both sides are the same again and throw the election to Tucker.
Your only logical conclusion then, since voters don’t vote how you want them to, is to demand a better candidate then Gavin Newsom. Anything other than that is you sponsoring fascism (again), because you know now, that both a) voters aren’t going to vote for a Gavin Newsom, and b) voters can’t be changed to vote how you think they should be.
You have a path to winning elections and you are choosing to take a path which is demonstrated to lose elections. I see idiots who think voter behavior will some how magically shift to their own personal interpretation of what “strategic” or “harm reduction” is taken to mean, and handing the elections to fascists time and time again by expecting voters to show up for a lessor evil.
Well if you were genuine in your intent to stop fascism, you would see addressing their single issues as the highest of priorities.
AND THIS is why we do not believe the genuineness of your claim. You don’t oppose fascism. Even within your own framework, your are inconsistent, because you aren’t looking to stop fascism, you are looking for an excuse not to try.
Its fucking irrelevant because Biden and Harris DID sponsor a genocide. Voters don’t fucking vote based on what you decide harm reduction to be. They see two pieces of shit doing a genocide and they say “No.”, which is what they did. The concept of “harm reduction” is fucking astrology for lincoln republicans. Voters don’t fucking vote that way, if you even accept that Harris was “harm reduction” (She was literally in the seat of power and did nothing, so miss me that Harris or Biden were “harm reduction”).
Harm reduction is fucking irrelevant because its not how voters vote. They saw one genocide supporting candidate, rejected them, and the party establishment handed them a second one. That strategy, which depended a, frankly, white supremacist vision of “harm reduction”, lost the fucking election.
So no. The only option was to get the candidate to change their position. There was no other path.
How is Trump not a pro genocide candidate? How does this make sense?
Who was President and vice President, and politically immovable while Israel was flattening Gaza with 2000lb bombs?
Like, I’m going to say this, you won’t understand it, but it is true, and someday you might. So this is for your future self:
You live in a fiction of your own creation. The version of reality you inhabit is a fantasy.
Thanks Neo… So are the bombs dropped any different now?
This is the outcome you were insisting on, so you tell me.
after everything Trump has done, you’re still holding on to this? lmao bro
go into Palestine and tell them harm reduction would have been worse and you helped vote trump in
Yeah cus we never needed to lose to them. Losing to them was a fucking choice by people who were I bothered by a genocide.
wake up to the reality we have
you don’t have to like it
struggle all you want to try to make it better
but don’t fucking lie to yoursels
The reality we have is that Democrats threw a very winnable election to fascists because they couldnt oppose a genocide. You and your fellow apologists are the ones who need to wake up.
No one is denying that. Trump being in power is the fault of both Democrats and non-voters.
But guess which of the two categories has been harmed more by the result? I don’t see Kamala begging on the street because she can’t afford groceries. They never really had anything to lose.
All of mainstream media and half of lemmy is still denying this. Look around this thread.
Which is why I think Biden at least, half his cabinet, and potentially Harris should be arrested for the war crime of funding a genocide
Link me to a single comment in this post saying Harris was awesome and that she did the best she could to win. They’re all saying she was far from perfect, or even from a good candidate, but voting her was still the correct choice.
Ok, cool, no issues with that. Who’s gonna do it when we have other politicians doing that in addition to… literally this article for example, and they’re still governing with no repercussions?
That right-wing/russian/tankie propaganda really did a number to leftist’s critical thinking skills and turned you into single issue (non)voters.
It’s sad to see.
No it’s understanding the very basic mechanics of how elections work, something you can count on those who will reliably caucus with fascists to perpetually misunderstand because white supremacist requires them to not understand.
When leftists fail to have a single viable candidate again and the choices are between Tucker Carlson and Gavin Newsom you guys are going to scream both sides are the same again and throw the election to Tucker.
Your only logical conclusion then, since voters don’t vote how you want them to, is to demand a better candidate then Gavin Newsom. Anything other than that is you sponsoring fascism (again), because you know now, that both a) voters aren’t going to vote for a Gavin Newsom, and b) voters can’t be changed to vote how you think they should be.
Lefts will find reasons not to vote for anyone.
I see idiots talking about how AOC is too far right here constantly.
You have a path to winning elections and you are choosing to take a path which is demonstrated to lose elections. I see idiots who think voter behavior will some how magically shift to their own personal interpretation of what “strategic” or “harm reduction” is taken to mean, and handing the elections to fascists time and time again by expecting voters to show up for a lessor evil.
Those, because I oppose fascism, are the idiots.
Your life as a lessee must be truly awful to have made you this angry.
If you opposed fascism, you would have done anything to not make it happen. Now you do have a fascist government.
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I’ve had better conversations with brick walls than single issue voters.
Well if you were genuine in your intent to stop fascism, you would see addressing their single issues as the highest of priorities.
AND THIS is why we do not believe the genuineness of your claim. You don’t oppose fascism. Even within your own framework, your are inconsistent, because you aren’t looking to stop fascism, you are looking for an excuse not to try.