Zeteo reports from the GOP convention in Dallas, where Trump offered Americans a fake bribe while dismissing the real pain he’s causing them. Some Republicans already have a ‘flight to catch.’

        • abbotsbury@lemmy.world
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          21 hours ago

          It most certainly is still homophobic to blame homophobia on gay people. Straight homophobes exist in a vastly higher quantity than any subsection of the population which is gay, the subsection of that which is self-hating, and the subsection of that which channels that self-hatred into promoting homophobia.

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            No. I don’t buy this.

            If a closeted gay person beats a gay person to death for being gay, that’s homophobia.

            Being closeted isn’t an excuse.

            Speaking of which, fuck Lindsey Graham.

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              21 hours ago

              You don’t have to buy it, it’s a fact. Straight people possess the ability to be homophobic, do you deny that? If not, you must accept that by sheer volume, they outnumber any self-hating homophobe. If you do deny the ability of straight people to be homophobic, that is blaming homophobia in it’s entirety on gay people (which is very homomphobic).

              If you’re just doing the “haha calling the homophobe gay” bit, that’s homophobic by using homosexuality as an insult.

              Ultimately it just comes down to that, if you see a homophobic person and immediately assume they are gay, that is homophobia. You are linking their bigotry to an alleged homosexuality. What other bigotries do you think someone must secretly be part of the group they hate?

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                20 hours ago

                If you’re just doing the “haha calling the homophobe gay” bit, that’s homophobic by using homosexuality as an insult.

                It is not using homosexuality as an insult. It’s using hypocrisy as an insult.

                Ultimately it just comes down to that, if you see a homophobic person and immediately assume they are gay, that is homophobia.

                No one said that.

                Republicans are generally more prone to homophobia, yet many of those Republican homophobes are actually homosexual, as evidenced by various high-profile instances as well as the multiple times that Grindr has crashed in the immediate vicinity of a Republican convention.

                Again – homosexual is fine, hypocrite is not. Especially when that hypocrisy is directly harming other homosexuals through shitty policies being pushed through.

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                  19 hours ago

                  It is not using homosexuality as an insult. It’s using hypocrisy as an insult.

                  The hypocrisy is based on allegedly being homosexual, which is unproven and based on “well homophobes must be gay” which is homophobic.

                  No one said that.

                  That’s the behavior of calling every homophobe gay, they don’t need to say it.

                  yet many of those Republican homophobes are actually homosexual

                  You say that based on what?

                  as evidenced by various high-profile instances

                  Yes, a few high profile instances. I don’t think they happen in nearly enough numbers to outweigh the straight homophobes who have the vast numerical advantage.

                  as well as the multiple times that Grindr has crashed in the immediate vicinity of a Republican convention.

                  Do you have an actual source for that? Because as far as I can tell it’s a meme based on a website which takes user reports as evidence of an outage, which would be very susceptible to false reports because it’s funny.

                  Again – homosexual is fine, hypocrite is not

                  Sure, but how about you actually wait until one of them is shown to be a hypocrite instead of pinning all the homophobes on homosexuals just so you can have a laugh?

                  Think about it, Dallas is a huge liberal zone in Texas with a population of 1.33 million, Grindr and underlying network infrastructure can definitely take big loads. Even if every single person there for the convention was a raging hypocrite, do you really think that is enough to cause a complete outage? It’s silly. The articles I see say they expected 20,000 people, and maybe another couple thousand were waiting in a line or something. Even if we assume each and every one is instantly hopping on the grind (which is a HUGE if), it would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the usual traffic of Grindr in Dallas.

                  Attack Republicans for what they are (or are shamefully revealed to be), not what would be funny if true. That just gives actual straight homophobes an excuse (“I’m not homophobic because I’m definitely not gay”) and spreads the narrative that homophobia is just something gay people do to themselves.

                  It’s not hypocrisy unless they’re actually gay, and statistically it’s unlikely to be the case for the majority of attendants.

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                    19 hours ago

                    Grindr and underlying network infrastructure can definitely take big loads.

                    Interesting choice of words for such a serious conversation, I’m offended

                    Because as far as I can tell it’s a meme based on a website which takes user reports as evidence of an outage, which would be very susceptible to false reports because it’s funny.

                    Even if we assume each and every one is instantly hopping on the grind (which is a HUGE if), it would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the usual traffic of Grindr in Dallas.

                    Honestly, fair point. I don’t know the methodology for the outage tracking, you could be right on this one.

                    Attack Republicans for what they are (or are shamefully revealed to be), not what would be funny if true.

                    Fair

                    That just gives actual straight homophobes an excuse (“I’m not homophobic because I’m definitely not gay”) and spreads the narrative that homophobia is just something gay people do to themselves.

                    This is where you go off the rails. It’s a very weird jump to make and is completely illogical. You’re claiming that Republican Grindr jokes reinforce a narrative that only gay people hate gay people, and to that I say, respectfully: what the fuck lol

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                    20 hours ago

                    That kinda applies to you more. It’s not like you’re even using the term ‘homophobia’ anywhere near correct. Bigoted, yes. But that’s different.