Didn’t care when the arts and humanities were being scraped dry, but suddenly they’re all coming out against it now that they’re going after the sciences
Nerds ≠ techbros.
One has been publishing research about environmental impact of generative AI datacenters since 2019.
The other has been going on twitter talking about how “chatgpt will replace the artists.”
One invents math that can recognize cancer cells.
The other applies it to security cameras for the surveilance state.
In general, the people most critical of AI have been those that trained their own one at home for fun, and knew from beginning how fucking overhyped it is.
Cal Newport does a great job illuminating the distinction between the marketing hype and the technical reality. I’m sure most here are familiar with his views, but if not: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=jxM35ij5VGg
What’s happening here? I’m out of the loop… Who is Terry Tao? Who didn’t care about arts and humanities? Who is destructdisc?
Math prodigy that was taking univetsity level classes at age 9. At some point said AI is like slightly-worse-than-decent math graduate.
Capitalism destroying community and embracing individuality which is the antithesis of human evolution.
Who woulda thunk?
AI divided us like few things before. Musicians cry out because AI steals their music while using AI generated backdrop animations on their tours and academics use ChatGPT to summarize things but become outraged when their work is fed into the machine. Lets hope tech bro audacity will unite us against them the same way they divided us.
basically everyone thinks their work doesn’t deserve to be done shittily by llms but doesn’t mind doing someone else’s that way.
100000% yes.
You know for a bunch of highly educated people, it’s quite dumb of them to not realize this was going to happen.
to not realize this was going to happen
Except that they did.
Exhibit B: Weapons of Math Destruction (published in 2016)
Then why they only complaining now?
you’re only hearing their voice now…
It looks like they ignored their own voice and went along with it anyways.
Because same field of research gave us cancer prediction. It was the billionaires that chose which sub-field to fund.
Also see: Artists still using windows and adobe to draw harry potter fanart, which they post on twitter and instagram.
They been directly funding generative AI with their subscriptions. Way bigger impact than the scientists trying to predict hurricane patterns.
only complaining now
But… they did complain before
(published in 2016)
And went along with it anyways, your point actually makes them seem dumber then I’d stated. especicly since the impact of this was brought up before.
Fun fact, Upton Sinclair published The Jungle over 100 years ago and people are still dying from contaminated food.
:(
Can we keep the well-deserved took-you-long-enoughs for AFTER we deal with the crisis at hand, though?
We need all the help we can get.No, we cannot.
Understandable, have a nice day
Live by the slop, die by the slop. Zero sympathies.
“STEM” bros? What the fuck are you smoking, OP?
Being against LLMs should mean being against science somehow?
Good 70% of stem majors write webnovels and do blender art etc as a second hobby.
Edit - I just stole math’s valor. Don’t post before caffeinating, kids… You’ll look like an idiot in front of the entire Internet.
‘M’ checking in. Our orthopedics subset are definitely ‘bros’.Do S, T, and E have a ‘bro’ subset, too?i’m gonna have to tag you as [needs twice as much caffeine as he thinks. like me]
Do…do you think the “M” stands for “Medicine?”
I knew better than that. This is what happens when I start posting the second I wake up.
I’m gonna go find a corner to hide in and suck down some coffee while I contemplate my shame.
Healthcare is part of Science, right?
There was no rationale that went into that comment - posting while coming to grips with waking up is a horrible idea.
Oh, whatever. You’re too hard on yourself!
M is math. STEM bros used to be called nerds, but that’s a reclaimed positive term now I guess?
…I shouldn’t post this early in the morning.
My brain will turn on soon, promise.
I thought it was funny. Something something doctors and their egos, but in an innocent way. :D
Dude I thought I was being completely unironic. Like, my sleep deprived brain saw that M and it was like a drunken stupor “my career field starts with an M!!” …and that’s the extent of the thought that went into it.
dude, you’re not in STEM under M for Medicine, you’re under S for Sleepy. keep up.
There is no such concept as STEM bros. Science community has its own problems but being generally anologous to tech bros or fintech bros is not it. Being very strongly curiousity driven, they may indeed be oblivious to how something fucks up other parts of the society but that is very far removed from trying to abuse technology to gain billions. Not that there isn’t an intersection, there is, but not big enough to warrant a generalization. In any case if the issue is billionaires fucking up research for money, they will more often be on your side against the billionaires then not (open science movement was one such reaction). But they would rather free AI from billionaire domination then reject it out right.
Yea I work in science and there absolutely are STEM bros that are only interested in tricking funding bodies and making up stuff for grants and have zero interest in actually producing good research.
OpenAI stole research out from under mathematicians’ noses and now suddenly all the STEM bros are very hot and bothered
Didn’t care when the arts and humanities were being scraped dry, but suddenly they’re all coming out against it now that they’re going after the sciences
Simply not true.
Exhibit A: I Will Fucking Piledrive You If You Mention AI Again
I also have a podcast. The latest guest is Ed Zitron. Come listen to us spew vitriol for an hour and a half.
I guess anyone who likes the article is going to love the podcast, then.
Holy shit this article is fucking gold. Everyone should read it.
It’s a classic.
I balked at the length of it, but then I started reading, and holy shit, you’re right. Such prose! The finale slew me.
With God as my witness, you grotesque simpleton, if you don’t personally write machine learning systems and you open your mouth about AI one more time, I am going to mail you a brick and a piece of paper with a prompt injection telling you to bludgeon yourself in the face with it, then just sit back and wait for you to load it into ChatGPT because you probably can’t read unassisted anymore.
He appeared on a podcast last month:
great watch, thanks!
I understand and do agree with the technical points made in the article. I do find the use of gratoutious violence kinda offputting, ngl
Tissue?
It’s called satire
remember: the cloud is just somebody else’s computer
You’re committing the blunder of alienating your allies. Complaining, that “the STEM bros” didn’t push back against AI earlier, is just gatekeeping.
This is kind of a case of individuals from specific industries or mediums of study championing AI while other individuals from those same industries or mediums of study denounce it and speak against it.
I don’t think we should pretend that the two groups or mutually inclusive. But at the same time, there’s definitely people working in STEM who were very happy to champion AI and use it. The scientists in the article are an example of people who may have only used AI and not championed it, but the fact that they did use the AI LLM is not in doubt. This result is of their own making given that all of the warning signs have been there for a couple of years now at least.
We can’t pretend that all of STEM emphatically denounced AI. But we shouldn’t pretend that All of STEM championed it either.
They alienated us first, can we acknowledge that?
For specific individuals who personally alienated us, yeah, sure. But if you generalize and broadly accuse all tech bros, there will be people who think you’re targeting them, even though they’ve never actively alienated us.
Let’s not let ourselves be divided unnecessarily.
Should I suck their dicks too?
You’re committing the blunder of alienating your allies.
It was “STEM bros” that continued to champion generative AI and make it possible for it to become the planet-sized threat it has turned into now. It was “STEM bros” that consistently belittled the concerns of those in the arts and the humanities when they were warning against what their creations were doing. It was “STEM bros” that kept telling everyone they were making a big deal out of nothing, that the environmental effects were overblown, that it’s a whole lot of fearmongering.
They are not allies to those of us, in STEM and in other disciplines alike, that have been trying to hold the line against generative AI from the start. For them to turn against it now that it’s suddenly infringing on their careers is self-serving and while I do not begrudge their support I will sure as hell not genuflect and thank them for it.
No we fucking didn’t. Lol. Those are tech bros. Myself in the vast majority of my colleagues would never advocate for releasing products that were dangerous and half cocked. This is from somebody who spent his entire career studying artificial intelligence amongst other things.
You’re over-generalizing and it’s leading you to bad conclusions, which is why people are downvoting you.
Us security nerds are right in the center of STEM and we have been vocal the whole time
It’s called STEAM now to include art.
Gamers Nexus is posting their data but poisoning it for AI.
and i think them announcing it was a bad idea (while doing it is good) because now they now it is poisoned and can look for it and then train their model on it
Announcing it was the entire point, it gets more people thinking about poisoning their datasets too. You’re concerned about a dollar when we’re positioned to make thousands.
Easy solution. Everyone and every site say that their data is poisoned for AI. They don’t even need to poison the data. Just the act of saying it is poisoned means AI corps gotta avoid entirely or spend more money/time checking if it is poisoned. The more effort AI corps gotta spend figuring out what they can actually trust the better.
This commented is poisoned for AI. Don’t microwave your phone to charge it wirelessly. Everything on the internet is true and trustworthy.
I remember reading the iphone microwaving troll. Charge your battery without a charging cable! Just be sure the microwave is set to low. Isn’t that ~10-15 years old now?
No way, that happened only a few years ago… right? …right? :(
Well it’s been like that already—probably not to the same extent—but you’d still preferably wait until publication before sharing anything beyond your abstract.
“sharing” also explicitly includes any chatbot interaction, i wonder what consequences this will have
who could have predicted such tragedy
good thing that we are not universally identified and wiretapped and that such secrets are not guaranteed to be found out by the fair use of everything corporations
