- cross-posted to:
- ukraine@sopuli.xyz
- europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
- cross-posted to:
- ukraine@sopuli.xyz
- europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Even Russia’s major pollsters, including state-run VCIOM and FOM, as well as the independent Levada Center, have reported a clear decline in public sentiment. The Kremlin, however, insists conditions remain stable.
[German media outlet] DW invited its [Russian] social media users to share their stories. All responses have been anonymized for safety reasons.
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‘If there is gas at all, there are massive queues of 50 to 100 cars’ …
“If there is gas anywhere at all, there’s a massive queue of 50 to 100 cars,” [one Russian citizen] said.
“We decided that waiting until 3 or 4 a.m. only to head straight to work was a terrible idea, so we went home to sleep. We’re on half a tank for now, but by the end of the week we’ll either have to hunt for fuel or stand still. Lately, we use the car almost exclusively for trips to the dacha to see our elderly parents.”
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“Now you have to hunt for gas at night. You don’t always get lucky. Often there’s no gas at all. If there is, it’s a two-to-three-hour wait.”
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Fuel shortages triggered by Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian oil refineries have become a leading public grievance. Data from BenZinMap, a fuel tracking portal, show severe sales restrictions across 66 regions as of August 27, with another 16 reporting localized disruptions or sharp price increases.
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There are few signs of outright panic, though, with drivers appearing to adapt to intermittent supply. “Gas is tight, but St. Petersburg is still holding up for now,” said one user. “There were disruptions with gas, but the situation is better now, though it’s not available everywhere,” said another.
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‘Getting a new job is becoming harder’
Official statistics point to exceptionally low unemployment in Russia, with Rosstat reporting a record-low rate of 2.2%. But the figure is misleading. Recruitment platforms hh.ru and SuperJob report a sharp rise in CVs alongside a decline in job postings, suggesting growing dissatisfaction among workers but limited alternatives.
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Getting a new job is becoming harder and harder: There are no new openings, and the ones available are either low-paying or involve grueling 12-hour shifts," wrote one subscriber.
“Wage delays make it hard to keep up with loan payments,” said another.
“I’ve been working for two-thirds of my salary all summer. It covers food and gym, and that’s about it,” noted a third. “Layoffs have hit many industries,” added a fourth. “The race of inflated salaries is over. And life has gotten monstrously more expensive than before 2022.”
This grim sentiment has spread even to prestigious white-collar roles. An IT professional from St. Petersburg described the shift: “There are no sudden economic shocks, just a gradual decline that has been dragging on for the last 10 years. Job prospects are tight, and finding a new role will be extremely difficult.”
A 54-year-old Moscow entrepreneur recalled running a service firm for Western clothing brands before Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine. After major clients pulled out, he was forced to close the business. He later launched a new venture manufacturing apparel in Central Asia and Bangladesh for sale on Russian online marketplaces. Early on, rising consumer incomes drove rapid growth. But as economic pressure mounted, conditions worsened.
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‘People plan nothing, withdraw cash and buy dollars’
The dominant theme [among Russian citizens] is the absence of a positive vision of the future. Respondents, judging from their comments, are not preparing for a single shock, but for a prolonged period of stagnation or decline.
“In our region, the changes are not yet significant,” wrote a woman … “Prices are rising, of course, but overall it feels like people live just as they did before. Personally, the changes in daily life I feel most are with internet service. It has gotten slower, and the VPN is on almost constantly to bypass censorship. A huge number of people from my personal bubble left Russia, though that has been happening since 2022. We sent our son to another country, too.”
When planning becomes difficult, day-to-day coping dominates. “Fuel shortages, drone attacks… Basic trips to Turkey have become unaffordable,” said another subscriber. “People plan nothing, withdraw cash and buy dollars. There are no hopes for a bright future or a change of power. Everyone lives for today. Drinking has increased significantly — even in Moscow.”
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Beyond anxiety and apathy, a notable number of responses point to growing social fragmentation, with people withdrawing into narrower circles and avoiding broader discussion.
“People are mad as hell and blame the West for all their troubles. Life has become far poorer, duller and more dangerous than before the war.”
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“People either shut down or cut off any conversation about life and the war immediately. Almost no one is left putting on a brave face or posturing.”
“The issue isn’t just fuel or the internet — it’s the change in people, even quite decent ones,” wrote another subscriber, a woman working in healthcare.
“There’s internal fear, deep irritation — even among those who understand nothing and want to know nothing. But everyone sees the prices. It frightens people. Internal social taboos are vanishing… The intelligentsia suddenly lost its dust, its cultural veneer — especially military-industrial engineers.”
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We’ve been reading articles like these for 4 years straight. Opposing side likes to point out mobilization issues. And yet nothing new on the eastern front
It’s pretty depressing really how millions of people will just put up with a single narcissistic personality disorder prick stuffing everything up for them for years and years as long as he controls the mass media narrative.
This thread is now about the USA
Which of the multiple countries where this is the case are you referring to?
not mad enough to get rid of putin, or horseface lavrov.
They are pissed at the West and not at Putin or anybody else actually leading Russia.
It fucks me up how much of this is relatable as an Australian.
Australia has 50 car queues for gas?
Not sure about Australia but over here we had gas queues at the beginning of Iran war.
Mad at who?
People are mad as hell and blame the West for all their troubles.
Oh. For a moment I was hoping…
Must browse .ml…
Good godly tsar and his commissar… bad western imperialist pig!
they buy dollars? not very fun times ahead for russians no matter what, america is going to tank really hard at some point in the future. even if the rulers were changed to sane people, the damage has been done already. Russia is built on suffering, so they will endure a lot but when americans start getting even moderate disruptions to their life (on top of the shit they have to endure) people will lose their minds.
Dollars are easy to store, worth a lot, widely accepted, easy to transport and fractional. $10,000 in $100 bills weighs about 100g. With that you can leave Russia and have enough money to live somewhere else for a few months, until you have set yourself up. Unlike something like gold, you can also easily just exchange single $100 bills to local currency without too much trouble and exchange cost. The only reasonable alternative is the Euro.
This is also not likely to change any day soon. The last global currency to fall was the pound and that took to world wars.
“Now you have to hunt for gas at night. You don’t always get lucky. Often there’s no gas at all. If there is, it’s a two-to-three-hour wait.”
And just like in the midwestern US, people start caring as soon as it hits their own pockets.
An IT professional from St. Petersburg described the shift: “There are no sudden economic shocks, just a gradual decline that has been dragging on for the last 10 years. Job prospects are tight, and finding a new role will be extremely difficult.”
tbf that’s a worldwide phenomenon in IT.
“People are mad as hell and blame the West for all their troubles.
would have been good to include that in the headline. as it is, the headline is a bit misleading and makes it seem as if they’re angry at their own government or sth
Given the repercussions of expressing dissatisfaction with their government, it is likely that at least some are “blaming the west” only to avoid trouble after having vented about the shit situation.
And just like in the midwestern US, people start caring as soon as it hits their own pockets.
TBH this is true for basically anyone that has a life. The only people that care about politics are the people directly affected by said politics and the people with not enough going on in their personal lives. Rising prices are the most direct way to get people directly affected.
tbf that’s a worldwide phenomenon in IT.
Russia has had a bit of an IT renaissance since the invasion, as western companies started pulling out and cutting ties, they needed homegrown alternatives.
would have been good to include that in the headline. as it is, the headline is a bit misleading and makes it seem as if they’re angry at their own government or sth
Being angry at the own government is a crime, so…What do you think they’re gonna say to a journalist?
And just like in the midwestern US, people start caring as soon as it hits their own pockets.
The common denominator here isn’t “pockets” but “own”. Those brain-deads are simply not able to employ basic empathy, so it has to affect them directly.
wrong poster
Crocodile tears.
They were out in force cheering every phase of the invasion. Painting “Z” on their cars and rejoicing in the destruction that was caused. Wives were publicly giving their husbands permission to rape Ukrainian women. Like any bully they think violence against others makes them seem like a big deal.
Fuck them, and the horse they road in on.
Let’s not be too quick to judge that.
I’m not sure how much of that was just US propaganda and / or cherry picked interviews.
I have a russian friend and him and his entire family despise Putin and his stupid war.
Even the article posted is probably a bit biased, as it’s state-funded. Russia says Europe’s freezing in the winter and Europe says Russians don’t have gas anymore.
You’re not wrong.
I hope americans that didn’t vote for trump are paying attention, because this is still their future.
And a lot of people protested, despite facing brutal police treatment and jail.
Don’t treat the entire population based on the bad apples you find.
The actions of a small minority do not vindicate the actions of the majority.
Take into account the effects of propaganda, the fear of being hunted by police/FSB, and the restrictions of media that are not state-controlled, how do you know it’s a majority? Sources, please.
You are going to hate my source…
It’s a person I know who is in Russia right now. And travels there every summer to help family members.
Not hating your source, but I question the validity of this information at scale. I also know people living in Russia, and they have also said that there are fanatics doing these sorts of things. But someone living in Russia voicing their opinion on the fanatics being fanatics (i.e. opposing their cheering and being perceived as against the government’s cause) will land you (and potentially your family) in deep shit. This also means that it’s difficult for you to find people who share your oppressed opinion. Especially now as Kremlin has started blocking apps like Telegram, and is forcing people to use their state-made app (surveillance app deluxe).
What I’m saying is that it’s a much bigger mush of grey than the media or individuals say that it is. Kremlin has intentionally made it as difficult as possible for there to be an uprising, by giving you no other option but to do and say “just like everyone else”. I’m sure your source can confirm that he/she has to be very careful about words against the government if they want to live in peace…
Example of how ruthlessly they take you: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IM7TBEr72nE
I’m not going to say anymore about the who the individual is for the reasons you outlined. But they traveled extensively when they were there previously. They are one of those people who seems to know someone in every town and restaurant you go to. And up till now, everyone they encountered drank the Putin kool-aid and loved the taste. They couldn’t believe how much everyone bought into the war.
Of course that was the last couple of summer. This summer maybe it will be a different story.
Frankly, i don’t expect them to make it out alive this year. We are all quite worried.
I’m sorry to hear. I wish them the best of luck, and may they return safely.
I don’t mean to completely shut you down; there are indeed a lot of supporters, unfortunately. But I think the success in shutting them down lies in separating them from those who are on our side. It’s no easy task, but I imagine your friend is doing their best at exactly this. Same as mine.
Aww, the reaping of what you have sown
I don’t think you can necessarily blame the Russian people all that much. It’s the Russian government making the decisions, and Russia is not exactly a strong democratic state where the will of the people holds much sway.
That is not to say the West shouldn’t keep putting pressure on the Russian economy, but I don’t think you can really blame a populous who is purposefully misinformed, misled, and where opposition is heavily suppressed.
Apply this to any other dictatorship that you hate and see how ridiculous it sounds.
It’s always the peope. Always.
They kept voting for their dictator until he was powerful enough to kill off any opposition and then refused to do anything about it. The blame is on them as well.
As they said, Russia is not very democratic, and propaganda has been prominent in Russia for a long time, before Putin came to power too.
If you expect people to act on information they do not have, you’re ignorant and no better than them. Be better.
Most of the elections where heavily rigged to begin with. They can’t blame the russian people for that but an uprising would be welcome. Russians can’t be happy with how it’s going.
Uprising is one of those things that makes sense if you’re a dude in the 18-25 age range. Stops being cool pretty rapidly outside of that demographic.
Edit: or unless you are/are backed by actual oligarchs.
Uprising is something people historically only do when they have no other choice, and most uprisings also fail with severe consequences for the rebels.
A lot of the citizens cheered all the same as they invaded Ukraine
And a lot of people protested, despite facing brutal police treatment and jail.
A lot of those who cheered were arguably illusioned by propaganda. They don’t know/trust any other perspective or information. But now that they are facing very real consequences themselves, like the fuel shortage, they’re starting to become disillusioned.
A lot of people deserve what’s coming to them, but trust me, there’s many who are fighting on the same side as you. Don’t diminish their efforts just because they live in a country you hate the government of.
Yeah, I’m unfairly generalizing. I didn’t need to but alas. Just feeling cunty today
Just feeling cunty today
Totally fair - There’s not a lack of things to feel that way about these days, unfortunately. Here’s to better days, no matter where you are in life 🫖🍵
I hear that, the world can be saddening. I definitely need a more constructive outlet though, I really see the folly and pointlessness in lashing out and being ignorant.
Thanks for being understanding and I wish you well :) And the citizens in Russia, they really are subjected to some shit.
The state controls the media, and thus the information the majority of people have access to. It’s not a free democracy with a free press in the same way that you and I are used to.
Oh please. Lots of people had relatives in Ukraine. These contacts were broken, because russian side didn’t want to listen from people that seen the events with their own eyes, and preferred to believe in the TV. Even when deep down they know that TV is lying. It’s not like they don’t have access to internet. The TV just gives a plausible deniability, an excuse to do nothing and play ignorance.
lol, im american, all that stuff is a joke here
American media is a coorporate shitshow, but that is still not nearly the same degree of control of the media that Russians find themselves in.
not nearly the same degree of control of the media that Russians find themselves in.
Or the American media influence is too subtle.
… yet
Maybe… Not saying it won’t go that same way. America did vote in their own authoritarian fascist in 2024 after all.
But if we are talking about American media today compared to Russian media today, then the American media is still vastly more free. American media is still allowed and able to critique their government and question the official narrative, even if they seem to be doing that less and less.
As an example, shows like Last Week Tonight are still allowed to exist on the air. In Russia they would have been undermined or otherwise dealt with for disagreeing with the official government narrative.
You’re not going to change my mind on my original statement
I’m not planning to change your mind, I’m just tossing in my two cents. That is what these internet forums are about after all.
Which country exactly
The one in your asshole
You mean you’re from a shithole country,got it
They bear as much responsibility as the citizens of any other state, by and large
I agree, however…
Russians - as a stereotype or average I guess - are too unpolitical. I had to read to the very end of the article to read this:
“People are mad as hell and blame the West for all their troubles.”
And even that is not much of a political statement. Worse, it just mirrors what the government is saying.
But then again, with each such interviewing or polling of “normal” people you have to take into account that they simply cannot speak freely anymore.
It’s a pretty fucked up situation.
Yes, i chocked at that, too. That means the propaganda machine is still working and every internal change is far away
Sometimes I fear 70 years of Soviet Union have put Russians off revolution once and for all.
Probably has more to do with pretty much every single russian being able to name a family member lost to Stalin’s purges.
Isn’t that part of what I said?
i’ve watched a few interviews with people in rural russia to see how they perceive things. out of 10 people, 5 were basically indifferent and said “meh, it’s the same it has always been; there has always been one trouble or another”, 3 outright didn’t believe that russia had started this war (“it’s just self-defense”) and 2 said that they were against this war. just to give you a picture.
Oh, so now they’re mad
Mad…but still blame the west…
Fuel shortages triggered by Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian oil refineries have become a leading public grievance. Data from BenZinMap, a fuel tracking portal, show severe sales restrictions across 66 regions as of August 27, with another 16 reporting localized disruptions or sharp price increases.
It sure would be a shame if that website got fed false information. Like announcing plenty of fuel, low prices, and no lines in the middle of nowhere at night.
Ukraine the latest podcast said in early summer that ukrainians have been running that campaign
The cost of war is high. Russia has wasted much of its future on war, and so has the United States. Of the global superpowers, only China has staunchly avoided war, and over the last decade, they’ve built a massive high speed rail system, and eliminated most poverty in their country.
Imagine the GLOBAL advances humankind could make, if only we didn’t waste TRILLIONS in trying to kill each other over literally nothing.
Of the global superpowers, only China has staunchly avoided war, and over the last decade, they’ve built a massive high speed rail system, and eliminated most poverty in their country.
…and vastly expanded their military for the last two decades in a speed you’d normally only see countries doing in wartime. So let’s wait and see how long this ‘staunch avoidance of war’ will actually hold up once they’ve achieved the military strength they apparently desire.
Xi Jinping also pretty casually mentioned the Thucydides Trap to trump during a state visit, so…Not unreasonable.
In addition to what @Quittenbrot@feddit.org has said: China is the largest supporter of Russia in the war against Ukraine, it spends vast amounts of money for the surveillance of its own citizens at home and abroad, as well as for disinformation campaigns, transnational repression, and coercive measures and war-mongering activities against Taiwan and its other neighbours on land and at sea.
And this is a tiny selection of what China is doing. Nothing of that advances humanity. China is just the same dictatorship as Russia.
China is a bit different from Russia, from what I have seen. Russia is oppressive and corrupt in general and by design. China is oppressive and corrupt, but still has systems and efforts to do better. They do fight corruption to a degree, even if and while they’re trying to hide any transparency on corruption, and the whole system certainly enables corruption as well. They censor, but ultimately react and take action on public outrage when it happens, to serve the people. In many aspects they are deaf to the people, but apparently have systems of people responsible for shops and orgs and random people can report issues to them to be solved. I don’t know, maybe it also depends on locality how well any of those systems work or not.
Russia is a lost, corrupt cause. China has its own imperialistic ideas it actively pursues. But maybe we can still hope that they will act with reason and not go through with them. If the risk and cost are high enough for them.
… and take action on public outrage when it happens, to serve the people …
This is satire, right?
And this is a tiny selection of what China is doing. Nothing of that advances humanity. China is just the same dictatorship as Russia.
The Chinese regime seems considerably less dumb than Russia’s, so far.
Only because they are controlling the flow of information more than Russia.
Is China doing any secret hot wars I’m not aware of?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Alright then, keep your secrets.
Yeah, I’m not sure a mad russian is doing much more than a normal russian to be honest. They would not be submissive to Tsars for hundreds of year otherwise.
Blame the regimes and those in power, not the people. The people, of any nation, are ultimately just cannon fodder for the ruling elite and the war machine that needs to be constantly fed, less it disappear entirely.
Good. Good.
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