Archived copy is here: https://archive.is/DqZ6m

The article says this:

“Immediately withdraw from NATO’s integrated command and then, in stages, from the organization itself. Reject the tribute demanded by the United States of 5% of GDP devoted to defense spending,” read France Unbowed’s 222-page program.

However, France under Mélenchon would still provide assistance to European Union countries under EU treaties, the document added

Is Melenchon right? Is it better for the EU to be the organisation of mutual defence guarantees for Europe, rather than NATO?

  • Jiral@lemmy.world
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    10 hours ago

    Most of the NATO members are not the US, also in terms of population. If you propose leaving NATO without a realistic alternative of a kind of NATO without the US for example all you are doing is selling out Europe.

    • kossa@feddit.org
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      Um, but the “kind of NATO” is called EU already. The mutual defense wording in the EU treaties is by far stronger than the wording in the NATO contract. I mean, in the end it’s all words on paper anyway, but there’s that.

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        9 hours ago

        He is also against the EU though.

        I am all for the EU as a meanginful defense union but capabilities need to exist and they don’t yet. Blowing up the one thing while not having a working replacement at the same time means inviting hostile powers to carve up Europe.

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          He is also against the EU though

          No he’s not, what the fuck. You’re thinking of his main political opponent, Marine Le Pen, who wants to exit NATO and the EU.

          FI’s platform is explicitly against exiting the Union or the Euro Zone.

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      Yeah but we already have close diplomatic ties with most of those countries, including some active defense treaties. There’s nothing complicated about expanding that, we have nuclear deterrence and a good-ish army it’s not like countries are going to give us shit. We certainly don’t need the US to achieve that, in fact we specifically need the US to not be involved in it if we want to keep it aligned with our interests.