“If we want more growth, we need to allow creative destruction so new companies can deliver the productivity we need.”
Octopus energy ceo greg jackson
“If we want more growth, we need to allow creative destruction so new companies can deliver the productivity we need.”
Octopus energy ceo greg jackson
I don’t know if I agree. A dictatorship decides to make more batteries and so the industry bends. Land is taken by the state to build mines. Little regard for the people or the environment.
All of this makes it easier for China to just move to electric, and part of why the EVs they export are so cheap.
They subsidise by environmental impact and possibly human suffering.
* Not to mention they own the battery market.
A nation taking land for its strategic needs is called “expropriation”. I don’t know your country, but I’m sure it does that as well, because this is something all of them do.
I live in Canada and they’re building an LNG plant in my town. Nobody who lives here wants it but the federal government and province do so we can’t do shit about it lol.
Is Germany a dictatorship?
spoiler
The answer is yes, it is a bourgeoisie democracy; a dictatorship of capital.
I don’t think there’s a country in the developed world with a government that finds it distasteful to subsidize the consumption of their populace with environmental and human suffering. Moral superiority isn’t the difference being spotlit here. I think China just controls more manufacturing of its own which makes pivoting their society more efficient
The question was about politics and economics, not morals.
I would hope not supporting suffering and destruction doesn’t need to be explicitly stated to be understood.
Meanwhile the UK has royalty that live in opulent luxury whilst the working-class dwells in poverty. Their hayday of wildly looting and enslaving foreign nations is over. They have nothing.
I’m not sure the argument “EVs are bad for the environment actually” works as well as you think it does.
I wasn’t arguing that. The way China mines and processes lithium for battery manufacture, in which they’re the leading exporter by far due to their rich rare earth deposits, is destroying the surrounding areas.
That’s fair, but my point is: Is there any way to make lithium ion batteries otherwise? Like is there any evidence that for instance Australian lithium is “greener” so to speak?
I see, yes my understanding is that the process can be a lot cleaner and other countries do it (like the US), China just chooses to take cheap shortcuts to take stranglehold of the market, which they now have.
Do you have any sources which elaborate on this?
It at the same time sounds A) possible, and B) like the kind of thing that someone should support with evidence.
I have been hearing of this for a few years now, nothing specific recently that I can share, but I have enjoyed watching China Found Something Better Than Oil, which is the same topic but about neodymium magnets.
Oh, yeah, I’ve seen that video.
… So I guess we don’t really have an answer for why people are saying that Chinese rare earth element mining is more environmentally destructive than everyone else’s rare earth element mining.
Well, I mean, I’ve got a guess.
LMFAO! Wait until you read about the industrial revolution and the environmental destruction caused by Great Britain. Go suck your king’s cock.
Great contribution to the conversation
Europe’s washed up–capitalist liberal democracies can’t exist without looting. Each nation now wants to pivot towards war to begin the looting process again. Enjoy your austerity budgets. Meanwhile China will keep on winning.
Much of the reason China is winning is that it’s now looting the environment and minorities in its own borders. Europe needs to lower wages across the board and scrap environmental regulations to compete, particularly when it comes to lithium.
It’s much better today than it was even 20 years ago. There is still significant work to be done and remediation of places that have elevated cancer rates due to lack of regulation enforcement will take a lifetime, but you’re talking about the wrong China.
This is a fabrication. Minorities have special protections and autonomy. It is exploiting its own people though, while there has been significant reductions in extreme poverty, they aren’t doing nearly enough here. [random Chinese people I talk to in China and border countries]