“If we want more growth, we need to allow creative destruction so new companies can deliver the productivity we need.”

Octopus energy ceo greg jackson

  • TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca
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    2 days ago

    I appreciate your willingness to learn and admit this so readily, don’t get me wrong. But how did you get here to this point without realizing China is a dictatorship?

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      2 days ago

      I think when i saw the original comment I didn’t think it was fair to lump China in with the Gulf states as a dictatorship. I knew it was a communist, one party state but thought they wouldn’t classify themselves as a dictatorship.

      In my other comment I looked it up and China does indeed call themselves a “people’s democratic dictatorship”.

      Just got confused by all the terminology.

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        22 hours ago

        they wouldn’t classify themselves as a dictatorship.

        That is correct as well, but only because it’s ingrained to be resistant to openly proclaim such things. The cognitive dissonance about this very thing among the mainland Chinese is quite the fascinating topic actually.

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        2 days ago

        But the terminology doesn’t really matter, most especially what they call THEMSELVES.

        Honestly, sorry, not trying to come across as hostile at all it’s just kinda truly confounding. China exerts far greater direct control over its citizens than any Gulf state.

        North Korea calls itself the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, btw

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          2 days ago

          No worries, no hostility!

          I think it’s hard because I’ve been there and saw a well functioning country where the people are happy and looked after. Public infrastructure was excellent. Certainly didn’t feel like a dictatorship.

          As you say, terminology doesn’t really matter. Every system of governance is susceptible to corruption. From my POV I see China as a country that wants the best for it’s people. I see the flaws of democracy when targeted by extremely wealthy corporations and people.

          Don’t get me wrong China has it’s flaws too. But to me it’s doing way better than the US, and the EU should look to strengthen ties.

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            1 day ago

            Honestly I think it is inaccurate to even call it a people’s democratic dictatorship; the influence of capital isn’t zero. It’s less than other countries, but for example, Cuba is a much better example of a place where the people have dictatorial control over policy.

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              14 hours ago

              I think any discussion about China being a democracy or a dictatorship can’t work at all if you can’t figure out the definitions communists use.

              Like “China says they are a dictatorship, so they can’t be a democracy”, but communists define every single government as a dictatorship, only changing what social class is in power, so what even is the point on nitpicking a word that for them just means “well, there is a government here”?

              As for “democracy”, I don’t know if communists have another definition for it, but if you want a government where “power is held by the people” and you believe that every government is a dictatorship, then the only option of a democratic government you get is a “dictatorship of the people”.

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                13 hours ago

                Correct, literally the more power capital has, the less power the people have. This isn’t just power within the government, since any power the capitalists are allowed to exercise is an extension of the government enabling it.

                China does get some utility from the capitalist class; their national bourgeoisie, who can be controlled somewhat, has helped develop the means of production without totally selling out to foreign bourgeoisie, who can’t be controlled at all. One of the stars on the Chinese flag is for the national bourgeoisie.

                It remains to be seen whether they were right or this turns out to be some class collaborationist horseshit.