As a finn, I disagree (who would have thunk?). There’s probably quite some broken telephone going on at the moment. European leaders were told that this was happening, and there was discussions with Ukraine beforehand.
This war WILL end by discussions and the signing of a fancy piece of paper. Holding a off the record discussions about current terms is a lot more productive than trying to infer the others wishes via public facing speeches or state media.
Let’s also think about who is talking currently. We don’t know what Ukraine is saying and to who. The orange orangutan is making deals with Russia. He also wants to bring in China, who also don’t stand to gain much from a Ukrainian success.
No one has surrendered anything, we do need to take space in negotiations however. If we don’t negotiate, everyone else will.
China, who also don’t stand to gain much from a Ukrainian success.
However, China absolutely benefits from weak Russia. Also China happily sells everyone drone parts, solar and other power tech to rebuilding Ukraine and a million other things to both global west and to Russia and their allies. So, no matter what happens, they are on a pretty good position both financially and politically, at least as long as they don’t take too heavy stance on either side.
Let’s also think about who is talking currently. We don’t know what Ukraine is saying and to who. The orange orangutan is making deals with Russia.
I do agree that opening channels which bypass USA is good. I’m just thinking more of the fact that only Norway and Finland speaking with Russia isn’t a good look for European unity.
As a finn, I disagree (who would have thunk?). There’s probably quite some broken telephone going on at the moment. European leaders were told that this was happening, and there was discussions with Ukraine beforehand.
This war WILL end by discussions and the signing of a fancy piece of paper. Holding a off the record discussions about current terms is a lot more productive than trying to infer the others wishes via public facing speeches or state media.
Let’s also think about who is talking currently. We don’t know what Ukraine is saying and to who. The orange orangutan is making deals with Russia. He also wants to bring in China, who also don’t stand to gain much from a Ukrainian success.
No one has surrendered anything, we do need to take space in negotiations however. If we don’t negotiate, everyone else will.
However, China absolutely benefits from weak Russia. Also China happily sells everyone drone parts, solar and other power tech to rebuilding Ukraine and a million other things to both global west and to Russia and their allies. So, no matter what happens, they are on a pretty good position both financially and politically, at least as long as they don’t take too heavy stance on either side.
I do agree that opening channels which bypass USA is good. I’m just thinking more of the fact that only Norway and Finland speaking with Russia isn’t a good look for European unity.
Previous mantra was unified diplomatic isolation. So that strategy was esentially surrendered.
Now we have two countries going solo realpolitik.
I’m not saying its necessary a bad development but its certainly a break from previous line.