COLUMN. To win the cultural and intellectual battle, Europe must staunchly defend its model, writes the economist in his column, dismantling the narrative of a 'declining' continent.
The hell is your definition of a war that excludes all of those? The Hungarian revolution, Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and Transnistria war were all international conflicts as well
I will also note that the Bosnian war is both part of the Yugoslav wars that I mentioned and also kicked off before the Treaty of Maastricht
Conflict is not war. War is international conflict, not two sets of dickheads doing the same thing they’ve been doing for millennia.
Here’s a hint. How many countries were involved in Bosnia and when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?
Okay so if we take your definition in which a civil war isn’t a war: when the Soviet Union rolled tens of thousands of troops with tanks into Hungary, or when Turkey invaded Cyprus and made a new country out of a third of it, or when Russia put 14,000 troops in Moldova and made a new country out of the bit north of the Dniester, what exactly made those not international in your view?
How many countries were involved in Bosnia
At least three depending on what you count as a country. Again, given that it started before the EU existed, why are you saying that no wars happened between the end of WWII and the creation of the EU?
when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?
Bosnia was the only one to involve international involvement and genocide. I’m not sure how I can explain it more simply.
It was one of the largest international interventions of the late 20th century.
United Nations (UNPROFOR): The UN Protection Force involved troops from over 40 countries, including the United Kingdom, France, Canada, Pakistan, and the Netherlands.
NATO: Marking its first-ever combat operations, NATO intervened via Operation Deliberate Force in 1995. Key contributors included the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Spain.
Contact Group: A diplomatic body formed to facilitate peace, consisting of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, and Russia.
Foreign Volunteers: Thousands of volunteers joined various sides, including “mujahideen” from various Middle Eastern and North African countries supporting the Bosniaks, and Greek and Russian volunteers supporting the Bosnian Serbs.
You have got to be taking the piss
This does not even include the many smaller-scale rebellions or anything that happened in the Caucasus
None of those are edit. Major multinational genocidal wars. Bosnia is the worst international war on European soil since 1945.
A) Civil wars are wars by definition.
B) Some of these conflicts were international. EG the 1956 Hungarian Uprising pitched Soviet-Russian forces against Hungarians.
Yeah, I’m talking major war. Not a civil war. It’s really not a big deal.
Some of the deadliest wars in history were civil wars. The Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864) is up there with WW2.
Yep. But the Bosnian one was the worst since WW2 until Russia invaded Ukraine.
Slovenia and Croatia have entered the chat
The hell is your definition of a war that excludes all of those? The Hungarian revolution, Turkish invasion of Cyprus, and Transnistria war were all international conflicts as well
I will also note that the Bosnian war is both part of the Yugoslav wars that I mentioned and also kicked off before the Treaty of Maastricht
Er, the previous definition sets the current one?
Conflict is not war. War is international conflict, not two sets of dickheads doing the same thing they’ve been doing for millennia.
Here’s a hint. How many countries were involved in Bosnia and when was the first international genocide conviction in Europe since the Nuremberg trials?
Okay so if we take your definition in which a civil war isn’t a war: when the Soviet Union rolled tens of thousands of troops with tanks into Hungary, or when Turkey invaded Cyprus and made a new country out of a third of it, or when Russia put 14,000 troops in Moldova and made a new country out of the bit north of the Dniester, what exactly made those not international in your view?
At least three depending on what you count as a country. Again, given that it started before the EU existed, why are you saying that no wars happened between the end of WWII and the creation of the EU?
As I said. It was the only genocide since WW2 in Europe.
…okay? How is that relevant to your claim of there being no wars in Europe from 1945 to 1993?
Bosnia was the only one to involve international involvement and genocide. I’m not sure how I can explain it more simply.
It was one of the largest international interventions of the late 20th century.
United Nations (UNPROFOR): The UN Protection Force involved troops from over 40 countries, including the United Kingdom, France, Canada, Pakistan, and the Netherlands.
NATO: Marking its first-ever combat operations, NATO intervened via Operation Deliberate Force in 1995. Key contributors included the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Spain.
Contact Group: A diplomatic body formed to facilitate peace, consisting of the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, and Russia.
Foreign Volunteers: Thousands of volunteers joined various sides, including “mujahideen” from various Middle Eastern and North African countries supporting the Bosniaks, and Greek and Russian volunteers supporting the Bosnian Serbs.
Right, so you’re just objectively wrong and also the genocide conviction is indeed irrelevant.
And to counter that, you’re bringing up an example that also started before the EU was made