My Lords, we know that the 18 to 25 year-olds have many of the same complex problems as the under-18s and, as the Minister has said, they need similar holistic wraparound care, although that is not necessarily yet in place. However, Dr Levy’s review had a narrower remit than mine, focused on quality improvement rather than the model of care, so as a next step would the Minister agree to ask departmental and NHSE colleagues to convene a group, which should include independent experts, representatives of professional groups and representatives of the new children’s and young people’s services as well as service users, to consider how we best understand and, importantly, improve clinical outcomes for this group of young adults?
It’s the age we’ve decided that someone can make life changing decisions at. A medical professional’s approval is standard and routine for procedures that’s beyond getting paracetamol.
Being forced to go through the wrong puberty is also life-changing. There is no course of action that is free of permanent consequences here. Kids who request to go on hormones should get hormones, as soon as they hit puberty. The odds they will not regret it are enormously higher than the odds they will. The only reason you think one of these options, the potentially life-saving one, should be flat-out illegal and one, the potentially fatal one, should be mandatory is transphobia, as the one you want to happen automatically in 100% of all cases only harms trans kids.
What about harming cis kids?
And why hormones and not puberty blockers? Aren’t hormones more irreversible than the purported affect of puberty blockers?
Ok, firstly discarding Gillick competence (which is legally a warzone around gender transition right now but had previously allowed for gender affirming care for under-16s) the age that a child is allowed to make a decision on their own healthcare in the UK is 16 not 18, unless you see trans people as inherently less capable than cis, I don’t see why you’d push the age back further specifically for gender affirming care.
But more importantly, going through the wrong puberty isn’t life changing?
If it’s 16, then fair enough
I believe whether or not the term “wrong” to describe puberty in this instance is the subject of debate, both medical and philosophical. I have even heard some claims that puberty can fix gender dysphoria (although I don’t know how scientific this is, so don’t quote me)
If the NHS have decided not to give puberty blockers, well they have people making these decisions who are far more educated than me in this area and probably moreso than you, so I trust their judgement.
Because you are an idiot who doesn’t listen to people who actually understand the subject.
The problem is that the decision to prevent the use of puberty blockers isn’t based on the decisions of medical experts but rather political groups more determined to erase trans people.
The Cass review, for example has been heavily criticised for its methodological flaws.
As someone who is both trans and has experience working in a related field of medicine it has been heartbreaking to see the NHS warped so cruelly by bigots and their agenda.
It certainly didn’t fix it for me, I spent much of my teenage years trying to end my own life largely because of my gender dysphoria.
I hope you’re doing better now. I hear other people claim that about the pro-trans side. But I do believe politics should be kept out of medicine.
You are constantly advocating to get it into medicine.
Or am I vsauce music
All the pro-trans side ever want in this debate is better medical outcomes for trans people. If that’s bringing politics to medicine then idk what the fuck apolitical medicine is.
is it based on a political presupposition or nah
I have heard people claim it’s possible to be trans without gender dysphoria. Really muddies the waters over what the aim is. I just want people with gender dysphoria to have it eased/cured (only if actually possible) and have a more comfortable life where they aren’t suffering. If someone learns to accept their biological sex, or if they medically transition to achieve this, either way, it’s a win. Different people likely have different needs. But hey, I’ll leave that to the medical professionals. The more we understand gender dysphoria and how to treat it, the better.
Yes, but these trans people will not go to the NHS to request gender affirming care. How can you be so consistently WRONG on literally everything?
I didn’t state that they do. Hexbear people need to stop trying to read minds and go back to badposting. It’s what they’re good at.
You are correct that gender dysphoria is not necessarily something a trans person has. Prior to the current political sabotage of the gender service, the role of the NHS was to determine what gender affirming care was necessary. A lot of the anti-trans push has been to take as many of these treatments off the board as possible.
Last month the Welsh Gender Service was pressured into cancelling all gender affirming surgeries that had been booked, no consultation, just a blanket call from above that involved no medical experts in the consideration. They did this on the demands of a single Member of Senedd.
Confusing topic… What are other things trans people have?
Yeah the latter shouldn’t have happened. We should trust the scientists more.
You keep being told to shut up if you’re not informed on this and then repeatedly opening your mouth to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have no idea. You’re a dangerous idiot.
They also went on a rant about immigrants like a month ago. I dont even think they’re actually a committed fascist or anything just a Brit whose brain has been absolutely cooked by TERF Island fascist media.
Hopefully they are young enough to grow out of it and learn. Doubtful though.
Generous.
Yeah I revised that statement. They’re just a fascist.
I have no problem with legal immigrants. In fact, I think we need to be more accommodating to them.
Your country along with the US carrying the imperial torch after them are the two biggest responsible entities that created the conditions for migration as a means to survive. You are a reactionary with transphobic brainworms who refuses to listen to people who are more kind to you than deserved.
Neither you nor any other westerner has any right whatsoever to determine who is allowed to travel anywhere on earth after colonizing over half the planet and driving the earth to a mass extinction event.
“I have no problem with legal immigrants”
Of course you dont because you dont see colonized people as human and legal immigrant is a heavily racialized notion to begin with in western countries.
This is what you said:
I retract what I said it had been a while since I saw it.
Fuck of Nazi scum.
I recommend you ask for a refund on whatever psychic or psychology courses you think you’re taking, because you’re terrible at trying to read my mind or intentions.
I dont have to you posted a fascist and racist screed about “channel hoppers”
If you think I came to that conclusion by psychoanalysis and not the fact every single thing you said in that rant was racist as fuck you’re too far gone to engage with.