Don’t leftists recognize the real struggle is class based? Every time you distort it to be race based you encourage the in fighting that the Epstein class wants you to do.
A fatal mistake for leftists is to narrow in on only class. Class is extremely important, but it’s not everything. As working class people, we have to acknowledge the harm that occurs to people in minority groups. If our class-based politics aren’t intersectional with queer, black, brown, women, and other political minorities, we will not achieve a classless society
Are all those minority groups part of the 99% being oppressed by the Epstein class? Yes. They are part of the classist system. Obviously they’re included, nobody should have to suffer homelessness, starvation, lack of healthcare, etc…
I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.
Nah, we can start with all of it, we don’t need to sideline gender and racial discrimination in favor of class first. We’ve been there, we’ve done that. We elevated pieces of shit like Cesar Chavez despite him raping women and little girls because class issues are most important. Leftists make a dire mistake at elevating class over all other discrimination based on faulty readings of leftist ideology.
I understand what you’re saying and I don’t think you misunderstand it. I think that there are large swaths of leftists who misunderstand what it means to build on class issues while including gender and racial issues. That we should only focus on class issues and then once that’s solved, we can move on to racial and sexist issues. It’s a faulty line of thinking. We can move in tandem on these issues and we should.
There is a history of highlighting class issues over all others to the detriment of the movement, like with Cesar Chavez.
Yes, but the system of class oppression manifests differently for these diverse groups, which means that all individuals will have a unique perspective on these systems of class oppression. A queer person has a different experience from a black person. A black trans woman will have a unique experience that is intersectional to queer, black, and women’s struggles for liberation.
For us to dismantle class oppression, we need to understand and address how class is used to oppress minorities
I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.
Absolutely. As a privileged member of the working class, I need to listen to the people I’m trying to help and follow their lead. It’s my job to center their struggle and support them, not steal the lime light as a white savior
.world, the reddit refugee instance, is the biggest instance by a good margin. That instance alone gets you like 10% nazis and 60% one minor inconvenience away from being a nazi.
You can also count on two hands the amount of them who won’t gleefully gloat at nazi violence as punishment for not conforming to the whims of their DNC masters. The masked Gesta/pol/ just shot your wife and put your children in a small cage? Welp, shouldn’t have ruined brunch
Of course there is. For a leftist space, lemmy seems to have a lot of it. It’s disappointing
Don’t leftists recognize the real struggle is class based? Every time you distort it to be race based you encourage the in fighting that the Epstein class wants you to do.
A fatal mistake for leftists is to narrow in on only class. Class is extremely important, but it’s not everything. As working class people, we have to acknowledge the harm that occurs to people in minority groups. If our class-based politics aren’t intersectional with queer, black, brown, women, and other political minorities, we will not achieve a classless society
Are all those minority groups part of the 99% being oppressed by the Epstein class? Yes. They are part of the classist system. Obviously they’re included, nobody should have to suffer homelessness, starvation, lack of healthcare, etc…
You should read
-W.E.B. Du Bois, Black Reconstruction in America
-Oliver C. Cox, Caste, Class, and Race: A Study in Social Dynamics
-Friedrich Engels, The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State
-Lise Vogel, Marxism and the Oppression of Women: Toward a Unitary Theory
Racial and Gender discrimination is a direct product of class relations not a second system operating alongside it.
That doesn’t mean we ignore racial and gender discrimination to focus only on class.
I’m not saying to ignore them but to really understand them you have to start with class as it is the bedrock upon which racial and gender discrimination is built. They are not separate systems but simply sub and super sets of the same system.
Nah, we can start with all of it, we don’t need to sideline gender and racial discrimination in favor of class first. We’ve been there, we’ve done that. We elevated pieces of shit like Cesar Chavez despite him raping women and little girls because class issues are most important. Leftists make a dire mistake at elevating class over all other discrimination based on faulty readings of leftist ideology.
I don’t think you’re really understanding what I’m saying.
I understand what you’re saying and I don’t think you misunderstand it. I think that there are large swaths of leftists who misunderstand what it means to build on class issues while including gender and racial issues. That we should only focus on class issues and then once that’s solved, we can move on to racial and sexist issues. It’s a faulty line of thinking. We can move in tandem on these issues and we should.
There is a history of highlighting class issues over all others to the detriment of the movement, like with Cesar Chavez.
Yes, but the system of class oppression manifests differently for these diverse groups, which means that all individuals will have a unique perspective on these systems of class oppression. A queer person has a different experience from a black person. A black trans woman will have a unique experience that is intersectional to queer, black, and women’s struggles for liberation.
For us to dismantle class oppression, we need to understand and address how class is used to oppress minorities
As I replied to the other person
In that sense, I agree. If we start on the basis of class, we’ll understand the dynamics at play that drives discrimination
We already know if we stop and listen to women and POC about these issues.
Absolutely. As a privileged member of the working class, I need to listen to the people I’m trying to help and follow their lead. It’s my job to center their struggle and support them, not steal the lime light as a white savior
I only wish I had more than one upvote for this comment. You are exactly right.
Lemmy is majority reactionary.
.world, the reddit refugee instance, is the biggest instance by a good margin. That instance alone gets you like 10% nazis and 60% one minor inconvenience away from being a nazi.
Got a lot of libs who think they are progressives in these parts because they are marginally less bad than Trump supporters and their ilk
You can also count on two hands the amount of them who won’t gleefully gloat at nazi violence as punishment for not conforming to the whims of their DNC masters. The masked Gesta/pol/ just shot your wife and put your children in a small cage? Welp, shouldn’t have ruined brunch
Been arguing with more than one of them still (a waste of time)
Please, think of the white male minority 😂
They’re the most oppressed on Lemmy, don’cha know.