Florida public schools will force students to take a Heritage Foundation-backed class on the “evils of communism.”…
  • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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    5 days ago

    if you really love communism, why not move to a communist country?

    If you don’t like people with a different world view why don’t you move to israel?

    • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
      13·
      5 days ago

      Presumably the best way to fight Israeli genocide is outside of Israel;

      the best way to fight Uighur genocide is outside of the PRC;

      the best way to fight Iranian theo-fascism is outside of Iran;

      and the best way to fight capitalism, is outside of a capitalist country.

      One could go to, say, Cuba, or North Korea, or any country one thinks is truly, or at least mostly, Communist, or maybe a rebel-held area, and fight against capitalism and/or build socialism.

      • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldBanned from community
        12·
        4 days ago

        there is never was aUighur genocide.
        that is western made up anti-China BS

          • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldBanned from community
            1·
            4 days ago

            I loved the 100’s of ‘leaked’ mugshots from a few years ago of the ‘prisoners’. This was with them probably.
            From Adrian Zenz the religious nut and rabid Sinophobe

            All quite good generic Uyghur faces but with a button in weird places and other anomalies what we know recognize as AI artefacts.
            Didn’t even bother to do some Photoshopping.

            BTW don’t they have orange suits in Guantanamo where they hold Uyghur terrorists?

            • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
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              4 days ago

              FWIW, I got it from wp:Persecution of Uyghurs in China; though yes, both the extreme left and extreme right tend not to like Wikipedia.

              As it’s a non-free image, I think it’s intentionally degraded in order to better argue fair use.

              Also, FWIW for any lurker: wp:Adrian Zenz.

              Maybe the Uighur genocide should be put into wv:Category:Wikidebates.

              The Guantanamo detentions are, of course, unjust, as was the state-sanctioned murder of Osama bin Ladan (who should have been tried in the US proper, with Bill of Rights followed (but alas, Obama had an election to win)).

              That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo;

              and yes, the Chinese commies will say that the Uighurs weren’t extracted from Central Asia, like America has extracted many from that area—I’ll grant them that; but as I’m a bit sympathetic to anarchism and at times regard nation-states as fictions, state cults, with 100s of millions of adherents, it’s somewhat of a moot point to me.

              It’s like the current US-Iran war: they’re both wrong, and I wish neither Trump and Hegseth, nor the theo-fascists who rule Iran, success.

              • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldBanned from community
                1·
                3 days ago

                Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to ‘guided by God’ Adrian Zenz.
                And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since it’s easily manipulated and astroturfed.
                Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?

                That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo

                I’m sure you have evidence for those numbers.
                And of the ‘genocide’.
                Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.
                Yet videos from atrocities reach us all the time.
                Where are those from Xinjiang? Double the population.

                Yes China has jails and prisoners, also in Xinjiang, shocker!
                Because they have criminals like everywhere else.
                Even terrorists, funded as always by the west to serve a purpose, as in Syria and Somalia,etc…

                When they hijack planes, bomb buses and do suicide attacks they get put in jail.
                Has China do everything perfectly and with velvet gloves? Probably not.
                Nobody’s perfect.
                The situation has been under control for a long time now and the vast majority are normal people living normal lives.
                Of course the western propaganda machine exagerated, lied and keeps milking this now non-issue.
                As they verifiably lie about any country they don’t like.

                Obama had indeed an election to win.
                If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years I’m sure they would’ve showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.
                But nothing.
                And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.

                And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.
                But anarchists wouldn’t know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regime’ taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.

                But anyway you believe what you want and maybe you’ll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.
                If you’re older then you might be a lost cause.
                Anyway enough said.
                Bye

                • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
                  1·
                  3 days ago

                  Indeed, ALL the anti-China Uyghur propaganda traces back to ‘guided by God’ Adrian Zenz.

                  Are you saying that if it wasn’t for him, all this talk about the Uighur genocide wouldn’t be going on?

                  ​

                  And wikipedia is indeed garbage for anything political since it’s easily manipulated and astroturfed.

                  Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please?

                  Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn’t believe it?

                  ​

                  Does knowing that simple fact make you extreme?

                  Is it a simple fact?

                  ​

                  That said, I don’t think 100 000s, much less millions, have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo

                  I’m sure you have evidence for those numbers.

                  I don’t, which of course necessarily means that millions indeed have gone to re-education camps in Guantanamo. 😏

                  ​

                  Palestine is massively controlled and has much lower smartphone ownership rate.

                  I think Israel, as bad as it is, has (or at least until recently had) freer speech than the PRC. Hamas can probably smuggle things out. Also presumably if one went 20 km east or west from any part of Gaza or the West Bank, one would be either in Israel proper, the Mediterranean, or Jordan.

                  Travel 10x that distance from Ürümqi, and one will probably still be in the PRC.

                  I wonder if a chip could be inserted into a baseball and thrown over the wall into Israel.

                  ​

                  Because they have criminals like everywhere else.

                  and probably real criminals mixed in with those who are persecuted politically.

                  ​

                  Thank you for the link.

                  There is evidence indicating that ETIM members also took steps to plan attacks against the interests of the United States, including the United States Embassy in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan.

                  ​

                  Some of these articles look interesting. I might read them.

                  wp:Turkistan Islamic Party

                  wp:East Turkestan independence movement

                  wp:East Turkestan People’s Revolutionary Party

                  wp:United Revolutionary Front of East Turkestan

                  ​

                  Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China’s ubiquitous surveillance?

                  ​

                  If they really got Bin Laden after 15 years I’m sure they would’ve showned the videos of the heroic raid all day long.

                  Okay, good point.

                  So are you saying that bin Laden’s still alive?

                  Does Wikipedia has anything to say about this (even though you say it’s “indeed garbage for anything political”)? Let’s see:

                  wp:Osama bin Laden death conspiracy theories

                  I guess you think this article is garbage too.

                  ​

                  (my bold)

                  And if you believe the batshit crazy story that they took his body but somehow for some reason decided to throw his body overboard I have some land to sell you.

                  You do?!? Please give me details!

                  ​

                  And no, Iran is not wrong, only the aggressor the US.

                  Do you support the Islamo-fascists?

                  ​

                  But anarchists wouldn’t know better and for some reason they always end up fighting some "authoritarian regime’ taking the side of the authoritarian imperialist western regime.

                  I ain’t fighting for the US, though they seem to treat women, LGBTQIs, and those of other religions, or those with no religions, better, or far less badly, than they do in the theo-fascist ISLAMIC Republic of Iran. If citing that makes me a stooge of Western imperialism, then I guess that’d make me a Western imperialist.

                  ​

                  But anyway you believe what you want and maybe you’ll inform yourself and possibly grow out of the edgy teen anarchist fase.

                  I think you misspelled “phase”.

                  ​

                  Bye

                  Goodnight.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol9_0schMHs

                  2:01

                  😁🙂

                  • Bloomcole@lemmy.worldBanned from community
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                    3 days ago

                    Are you saying that if it wasn’t for him, all this talk about the Uighur genocide wouldn’t be going on?

                    Who knows, there are plenty agencies and paid actors in the west who constantly write and invent China bad stories.
                    You could certainly be one of them since you use all the cheap tricks they use.
                    Recognizable if you read all the trolling handbooks from GCHQ,hasbara units,etc… which I have.

                    You fail to provide the evidence of your claims as I asked and try to place the burden on me and deflect.

                    Could you provide ≥3 examples of easy manipulation and astroturfing, please? Are you saying when Wikipedia says mean things about Hitler or Trump, I shouldn’t believe it?

                    See, that’s what I’m talking about, 2 of the known tricks.
                    1 return the question for evidence
                    2 the classic “are you saying…” followed by nonsense I didn’t say. (use of fallacies)

                    But I’ll answer you anyway since it’s easy.
                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/10/05/wikipedias-pay-for-play-scandal-highlights-wikipedias-vulnerabilities/ https://tankie.tube/w/48uvLWEKJM8fvSyiSupXf4 https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1626367075965960193
                    https://www.vice.com/en/article/political-staffers-tried-to-delete-the-senate-scandal-and-other-bad-behaviour-from-wikipedia/

                    There are plenty more examples.
                    There are complete websites dedicated to exposing Wikipedia.

                    Really anyone referring to WP as a credible source can’t be taken seriously.
                    They are at best childishly naive and don’t know how to look up actual sources but mostly they are bad faith actors.
                    As credible as those who link to ‘articles’ from western sources about their enemies and their proof is : “(anonymous) sources say” , “it is believed”,…
                    Simple mouthpieces and an insult to journalistic standards and conventions.

                    Also, how does the West fund Uighurs, with China’s ubiquitous surveillance?

                    And here we go again with the propaganda claims of “ubiquitous surveillance”
                    Think it’s hard to get money to groups?
                    How did they fund the Taliban, Somalian terrorists or their good friend, the headchopper Jolani in Syria?
                    Is it hard to fund them when they can even get from China all the way to Syria, where they to this day massacre minorities?

                    So are you saying that bin Laden’s still alive?

                    Oh look, another “are you saying” fallacy followed by putting words into my mouth.
                    Yes, he’s hiding and sometimes seen with Elvis in Las Vegas!
                    In case you never noticed, this guy was old and never looked healthy.
                    He was a kidney patient and in those 15 years ‘missing’ he probably died of kidney failure.
                    So nothing spectacular or conspiracy theories.
                    This was reported by many sources, including his wives who said he had apparently recovered from two kidney operations.
                    Of course ‘US intelligence sources’ the most credible people on the planet deny this.
                    Otherwise their Hollywood capture mission wouldn’t fly.

                    If you really are acting in good faith I suggest you inform yourself better and look up multiple and credible sources before you make claims and form an opinion.