inari@piefed.zip to Europe@feddit.orgEnglish · 1 month agoIt is time to build the United States of Europeelpais.comexternal-linkmessage-square50linkfedilinkarrow-up1101arrow-down112
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minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down8·1 month agoEuropean history all is just conquests
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up12·1 month ago…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
minus-squareCAVOK@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up4·1 month agoThe Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·1 month agoThat’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
minus-squareCAVOK@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1·1 month agoProbably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up1arrow-down8·1 month agoThere has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up13·1 month agoMate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
minus-squaredeHaga@feddit.uklinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down10·1 month agoLol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one. That’s centralising power, and it always fails.
minus-squareSkua@kbin.earthlinkfedilinkarrow-up10·1 month ago “Lol no. Actually it was exactly what you said”
European history all is just conquests
…so there has not been an attempt like the EU
The Hansa was something of a proto-EU.
That’s an interesting comparison I hadn’t considered, but isn’t it more like the current EU than the hypothetical federalised EU under discussion?
Probably yes, but I don’t know enough about the Hansa to weigh in. But from what I can remember conquest wasn’t a part of it. It was a trade and defense arrangement that you joined voluntarily.
There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia…
Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That’s not a separate attempt. That’s the same one.
Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.
That’s centralising power, and it always fails.