Shouts of “he should be shot” could be heard multiple times Thursday night at the Republican midterm convention as Texas Sen. Ted Cruz was criticizing prominent Democratic politicians by name.
Yes. Because one side wants to kill anyone who’s not basically a “perfect white american” (according to their own values) and the other is trying to survive.
Violence is almost never the answer. Except when you fight fascists and nazis, then violence is the only answer and solution.
Nazis want to kill me because I’m different (read non a “true american”). My life doesn’t endanger theirs nor affects their lives. Yet they want me dead.
I want them dead because that way I can live. So yeah, one is justified, the other is not. Sorry if this hurt your nazi feelings, but the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
One is violence born from irrational hatred. The other is violence born from self-defence. If you can’t tell the difference, there’s nothing more to be said to you.
How does a trans person endanger a republican? Or a gay? Or an autistic? Or an inmigrant? How? Is there a trans cabal trying to make every kid transition? Is there a gay secret society trying to make everyone gay so we go extinct? No, no, it has to be the autistic illuminati, right?
Meanwhile, republican nazis have the ice gestapo, rfk jr is talking about sending autistic people to “farms” and trying to make trans as miserable as possible. But hey, bOtH SidEs!!!1!11!!!1
I support trans rights and gay rights as human rights, and the right for everyone to be left alone to do what they like as long as it doesnt harm others, and that you are the sovereign of your own body-- no one gets to tell you how to be or who to have consensual sex with. But its are a bad marketing method to counter republican philosophy, and to get people to rally around it as a key point-- we should really stick with human rights as our attack strategy on that one.
Authoritarians choose gay and trans rights as their preferred battleground to attack human rights and push authoritarian outcomes-- because it works. We should Insist on universal human rights and the rights to be left alone to your own choices. No one really disagrees with that. Thats how we win gay and trans rights, and onto civil rights and privacy too. We draw a line at insisting everyone stay out of the business of others unless invited, and when people charge into your bedroom with their ideas, they should be treated as home invaders. Authoritarians love that castle doctrine stuff, why dont we piggyback on that to get them out of our lives?
Man, once you understand how cause and effect works, you may actually eventually understand how things work.
1- One side advocates for killing people I love
2- I advocate removing the thing that wants to remove my loved ones
3- Dumbasses think both sides are the same.
When your brain fully develops, you’ll understand that point 2 cannot exist without point 1. Without something to drive the need for violence, violence won’t happen. But if one side has to us v them to get and stay in power, are you expecting the other side to roll over and accept death?
Spoiler: yeah, you’re blaming the victims for wanting to defend themselves against random violence by bigots
It’s a statistical fact that rightwing violence is WAY more common in the US than leftwing violence, so you can take that both sides shit somewhere else where it’s actually relevant.
lol, look at this kid trotting out “both sides” after repeatedly saying only dems kill people or want them dead. He’s so adorable when pretending to have empathy!
I hope you’re mistaken for a brown person by your precious ICE crusaders.
No, we do not agree. NONE of the democratic leaders calls for the execution of political opponents like Trump does. Both sides apply only to single nobody in the crowd, but I do not care about those to be honest. Those will always exists. Both sides is just a way to distract from the fact the sitting president is asking for the hanging of the senators of the opposition.
Ooh, sorry kid, I’m afraid that little nugget of undeniable truth is gonna cost you about a bajillion downvotes.
See, when we call for murder it’s completely justified because they’re bad people. When they call for murder it’s not justified at all because they’re trying to kill good people.
And they definitely don’t think the same thing about us, because deep down they really know that they’re evil and that they deserve it - they just refuse to admit it. Either that or they’re not people at all, whichever is more rhetorically useful in the moment.
Edit: turns out the guy I responded to is an actual Republican trying to deflect, and not someone going against the grain trying to inject some sanity into the conversation. I’m leaving this comment up because it’s still true, but downvote away.
Conservatives decided that normal people are their enemy and need to be oppressed to death. We turned the other cheek for decades. You can’t act all butt-hurt that we finally agree with you that we are enemies.
Of course I want my enemies to die. You taught me this role and insist I play it. So, now I’m playing it. Stop crying about it and get off our planet.
Are people on lemmy democratic leaders or speakers at democratic conventions? Or are you 100% full of shit and trying to move the goalposts in the most obvious way possible?
It really isn’t. Your comparing mainstream members to randoms on the Internet. At best you’re being disengenous, if not outright lying to make a point.
Any idiot can say whatever dumb shit they want on the internet (as evidenced by the conversation above), but you can’t honestly say both sides are advocating for this at the party level.
Well, not without being a liar, anyway. That never stops the right and idiot centrists from crying BoTh SiDeS to things that are demonstratably coming from the right primarily.
I’m copying from another comment so I don’t have to type it again:
“The politics here are just as real as they are there. What do you think emboldened conservative leaders to spout shit like this in the first place? It’s the fact that their base supports it, and the calls for violence here on Lemmy are no different, except that we’re sympathetic to the reasons.”
Nope, you’re conflating party level advocacy with randos on the internet, and it’s a bullshit comparison. And this advocacy has come from the party leadership for decades.
One party is OPENLY KIRKING PEOPLE IN THE STREET and there’s no pushback at the party level on one side, but plenty on the other.
Your argument is the most hollow both sides bullshit.
All i know is: If they’re coming at me with guns, I’m fighting back with guns. I don’t have to feel guilty because they started it and I don’t have to die to “preserve civility and norms”.
I don’t think you’re being genuine. You can always find people online saying ridiculous shit. You can’t control that. But when it enters the sphere of “real politics” it needs to be shutdown. I hate the guy, but even Charlie Kirk could do this. It’s a very low bar but I’m not surprised the spineless shitsack Cruz couldn’t clear it.
The politics here are just as real as they are there. What do you think emboldened conservative leaders to spout shit like this in the first place? It’s the fact that their base supports it, and the calls for violence here on Lemmy are no different, except that we’re sympathetic to the reasons.
We call nazis as we see them. Sorry your cover got blown. Everyone sees you as the nazi you are now, though. No putting that toothpaste back in the tube. Bye, nazi.
Undeniable truths regularly come with absolutely no proof of it happening in the face of countless news stories showing it happening from one side and not the other.
Exterminating nazis using completely legal means is NOT terrorism. No one is trying to scare or terrorize nazis. There are perfectly legal means of exterminating nazi cockroaches because the nazis themselves have done away with the laws that would have protected them. In other words, you are letting us kill you. Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!
Even the Bulwark are not this absurd. At least not lately. Even they recognize the dangers of the right. I think Sarah has been wringing her hands over Hasan Piker but that’s about the extent of it.
Are we really just going to ignore the fact that both sides do this? Can we all agree BOTH sides and ALL violence is bad?
Ahh yes, I remember all the times that DNC guests called for shooting Republicans.
🤣🤣😆😄🤣🤣 Nope. 😃 You are lying.
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every. Word.
Huh?
Yes. Because one side wants to kill anyone who’s not basically a “perfect white american” (according to their own values) and the other is trying to survive.
Violence is almost never the answer. Except when you fight fascists and nazis, then violence is the only answer and solution.
“Violence is only justified when WE say it is!”
Said everybody.
Quick question: What do you call someone who defends nazis?
Stop defending nazis.
Nazis want to kill me because I’m different (read non a “true american”). My life doesn’t endanger theirs nor affects their lives. Yet they want me dead.
I want them dead because that way I can live. So yeah, one is justified, the other is not. Sorry if this hurt your nazi feelings, but the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
“I want them dead because that way I can live” -every Republican calling for Democrat murders right now.
“Our violence is justified, the other is not.”
Said everybody.
One is violence born from irrational hatred. The other is violence born from self-defence. If you can’t tell the difference, there’s nothing more to be said to you.
You can stop with the nazi gaslighting attempts. That fake “both-sides” shit doesn’t fool progressives.
All conservatives are pathological liars.
How does a trans person endanger a republican? Or a gay? Or an autistic? Or an inmigrant? How? Is there a trans cabal trying to make every kid transition? Is there a gay secret society trying to make everyone gay so we go extinct? No, no, it has to be the autistic illuminati, right?
Meanwhile, republican nazis have the ice gestapo, rfk jr is talking about sending autistic people to “farms” and trying to make trans as miserable as possible. But hey, bOtH SidEs!!!1!11!!!1
I support trans rights and gay rights as human rights, and the right for everyone to be left alone to do what they like as long as it doesnt harm others, and that you are the sovereign of your own body-- no one gets to tell you how to be or who to have consensual sex with. But its are a bad marketing method to counter republican philosophy, and to get people to rally around it as a key point-- we should really stick with human rights as our attack strategy on that one.
Authoritarians choose gay and trans rights as their preferred battleground to attack human rights and push authoritarian outcomes-- because it works. We should Insist on universal human rights and the rights to be left alone to your own choices. No one really disagrees with that. Thats how we win gay and trans rights, and onto civil rights and privacy too. We draw a line at insisting everyone stay out of the business of others unless invited, and when people charge into your bedroom with their ideas, they should be treated as home invaders. Authoritarians love that castle doctrine stuff, why dont we piggyback on that to get them out of our lives?
The rhetoric to justify violence is the same either way, which is the point.
Just because the rhetoric might have similarities in some very narrow hypothetical does not make these things equivalent.
I would recommended reading Popper’s paradox on tolerance, too…
Nah. You are a proven liar and your comments can be disregarded out of hand.
You’re not even trying to be honest here, aren’t you? Do you really think nazis are the victims here?
But it’s not even remotely the same. You can’t make something true be just repeating it you simpleton.
You’ve been shown multiple times that it is not actually the same tho. You are just refusing to listen.
Man, once you understand how cause and effect works, you may actually eventually understand how things work.
1- One side advocates for killing people I love
2- I advocate removing the thing that wants to remove my loved ones
3- Dumbasses think both sides are the same.
When your brain fully develops, you’ll understand that point 2 cannot exist without point 1. Without something to drive the need for violence, violence won’t happen. But if one side has to us v them to get and stay in power, are you expecting the other side to roll over and accept death?
Spoiler: yeah, you’re blaming the victims for wanting to defend themselves against random violence by bigots
This is the Nazi version of “quit hitting yourself”
“Everybody thinks their own violence is justified.”
“You’re a NAZI!”
Lemmy is consistent, at least.
We are consistent in identifying nazis.
This has to be satire, right?
Seems like no. They appear to be Republican themselves and are attempting to defend them….
It’s a statistical fact that rightwing violence is WAY more common in the US than leftwing violence, so you can take that both sides shit somewhere else where it’s actually relevant.
Wow, you’ve really convinced me with all of the sources for your totally real and not baseless claim!
lol, look at this kid trotting out “both sides” after repeatedly saying only dems kill people or want them dead. He’s so adorable when pretending to have empathy!
I hope you’re mistaken for a brown person by your precious ICE crusaders.
No, we do not agree. NONE of the democratic leaders calls for the execution of political opponents like Trump does. Both sides apply only to single nobody in the crowd, but I do not care about those to be honest. Those will always exists. Both sides is just a way to distract from the fact the sitting president is asking for the hanging of the senators of the opposition.
For fucks sake how and when did that happen?
Don’t you have other crosses to burn somewhere?
Lol you all are absolutely horrific. It is incredibly sad you all are in an echo chamber of violence justification.
🤣🤣 Go back to StormFront or Nambla or wherever conservatives like to hang out these days.
Ooh, sorry kid, I’m afraid that little nugget of undeniable truth is gonna cost you about a bajillion downvotes.
See, when we call for murder it’s completely justified because they’re bad people. When they call for murder it’s not justified at all because they’re trying to kill good people.
And they definitely don’t think the same thing about us, because deep down they really know that they’re evil and that they deserve it - they just refuse to admit it. Either that or they’re not people at all, whichever is more rhetorically useful in the moment.
Edit: turns out the guy I responded to is an actual Republican trying to deflect, and not someone going against the grain trying to inject some sanity into the conversation. I’m leaving this comment up because it’s still true, but downvote away.
Sometimes down votes just mean you’re wrong, you know?
So they’re wrong that here on Lemmy people call for the deaths of Republicans literally every single day?
Conservatives decided that normal people are their enemy and need to be oppressed to death. We turned the other cheek for decades. You can’t act all butt-hurt that we finally agree with you that we are enemies.
Of course I want my enemies to die. You taught me this role and insist I play it. So, now I’m playing it. Stop crying about it and get off our planet.
Are people on lemmy democratic leaders or speakers at democratic conventions? Or are you 100% full of shit and trying to move the goalposts in the most obvious way possible?
Ooh ooh ooh, I know this one!
It’s a false dichotomy!
It really isn’t. Your comparing mainstream members to randoms on the Internet. At best you’re being disengenous, if not outright lying to make a point.
Any idiot can say whatever dumb shit they want on the internet (as evidenced by the conversation above), but you can’t honestly say both sides are advocating for this at the party level.
Well, not without being a liar, anyway. That never stops the right and idiot centrists from crying BoTh SiDeS to things that are demonstratably coming from the right primarily.
They are you just choose not to see it.
Just gonna repeat the first comment I made in this thread, it’s still just as accurate:
Wow, you’ve really convinced me with all of the sources for your totally real and not baseless claim!
What Democratic politician has called for killing Republicans?
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I’m copying from another comment so I don’t have to type it again:
“The politics here are just as real as they are there. What do you think emboldened conservative leaders to spout shit like this in the first place? It’s the fact that their base supports it, and the calls for violence here on Lemmy are no different, except that we’re sympathetic to the reasons.”
Nope, you’re conflating party level advocacy with randos on the internet, and it’s a bullshit comparison. And this advocacy has come from the party leadership for decades.
One party is OPENLY KIRKING PEOPLE IN THE STREET and there’s no pushback at the party level on one side, but plenty on the other.
Your argument is the most hollow both sides bullshit.
All i know is: If they’re coming at me with guns, I’m fighting back with guns. I don’t have to feel guilty because they started it and I don’t have to die to “preserve civility and norms”.
You are lying. As usual.
I don’t think you’re being genuine. You can always find people online saying ridiculous shit. You can’t control that. But when it enters the sphere of “real politics” it needs to be shutdown. I hate the guy, but even Charlie Kirk could do this. It’s a very low bar but I’m not surprised the spineless shitsack Cruz couldn’t clear it.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/pushing-election-lies-tpusa-audience-member-asks-charlie-kirk-when-they-can-use-guns
The politics here are just as real as they are there. What do you think emboldened conservative leaders to spout shit like this in the first place? It’s the fact that their base supports it, and the calls for violence here on Lemmy are no different, except that we’re sympathetic to the reasons.
Oh cool, I see you’re arguing just to argue. Bye.
Nah, this time you’re just wrong, you know?
Which you have been this whole thread and yet you’re still here.
Said the nazi liar. 🤣
Go back to /r/conservative
“People on both sides call for each other’s murders and use the same rhetoric to justify it”
“You must be a <insert other side here>!”
Real original.
We call nazis as we see them. Sorry your cover got blown. Everyone sees you as the nazi you are now, though. No putting that toothpaste back in the tube. Bye, nazi.
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Undeniable truths regularly come with absolutely no proof of it happening in the face of countless news stories showing it happening from one side and not the other.
Look at literally any Lemmy political thread, likely including this one within the hour, for all the proof you need.
No. You’re conflating two vastly different things, and I’m not letting you move the goalposts
Only one side admits they’re domestic terrorists, but I’m sure you’ll try to say both sides do because some random on the Internet said it too
This is literally what I’ve been arguing from my first comment, and I’m not letting you put words in my mouth.
Lemmings call for domestic terrorism all the time - you’re just sympathetic to it.
Exterminating nazis using completely legal means is NOT terrorism. No one is trying to scare or terrorize nazis. There are perfectly legal means of exterminating nazi cockroaches because the nazis themselves have done away with the laws that would have protected them. In other words, you are letting us kill you. Stop hitting yourself! Stop hitting yourself!
Have fun with that multiple myeloma, fkn nazi! 🤣
Whatever you have to tell yourself to not admit you’re moving the goalposts
Still not letting you put words in my mouth.
I don’t need to, your words are plain as day for everyone to see
Is that why there is a rule #6, and it’s often enforced, I’ve noticed?
How did “The Bulwark” listeners find Lemmy?
Even the Bulwark are not this absurd. At least not lately. Even they recognize the dangers of the right. I think Sarah has been wringing her hands over Hasan Piker but that’s about the extent of it.
I don’t even know what that is.