idk it’s my first time (kind of) trying to do dataviz, I thought the original post was super interesting but like other comments said, it was hard to read.
I think in a way it’s mostly because defederation is complex to show as links, since it is the break of said link, but hopefully this type of graph is better ?
you do lose the “group” of instances view, though (and also I did not bother with per instance MAU as raw number + percentage, or sofware used)
let me know what you think!
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Cool diagram.
If you removed hexbear and lemmygrad (nearly everyone defederates them so they just clutter the place up) then the other information would be clearer. For example I didn’t notice that beehaw has defederated both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works until my third viewing.
Lot of unnecessary lines crossing. Why do the 5 at the top left not just swoop around instead of crossing 2 or 3 others? Why do the two defederating lemmy.world cross each other?
3 yellows and two slightly orange and slightly green yellows are hard to differentiate at times.
One point of order, you lost slrpnk.net’s defederation of hexbear.net
This makes much more sense thanks
It would be cool to have something like the internet map but of the fediverse
nifty strongly curved arrows
I should sort my ties this way…
The similar color makes it slightly difficult to read but the graph is better, and easier to understand. Anyways, you are skilled, good job :3
Yeah the 3 yellows really are hard to differentiate.
Hexbear uses a whitelist so they are not federated with a bunch of these instances besides .world
In addition to comments others have made about some of the colors being difficult to see/differentiate, I think it would be worthwhile to distinguish one-way defederation from mutual defederation, perhaps with a texture?
It would make the graphic busier, but I also would enjoy seeing population percentages next to each instance name (to give weight to the significance of certain defederations, e.g. how much of the fediverse are you excluding by defederating with hexbear vs lemmy.world).
When I saw it I thought of this quote: “Why Is It When Something Happens, It’s Always You three?” Tbh I didn’t know about 2 of 3 Top 3 defederated instances, I know why feddit is defederated, but why is lemmygrad?
lemmygrad is pro authoritarian
Oh… I understand now why it’s banned, thanks!
Modern liberal democracy is authoritarian too, it’s just that a different group of people hold the keys. Would you support defederating with every instance that is aligned with liberal democracy?
This graph is a lot more understandable, but the yellow is hard to see. I can’t tell what instance lemmy.ml is defederating.
I assume for you it may be because of your display type. But that made me think of colorblind people and how much this format probably totally excludes them as an entire swath of the population
But that made me think of colorblind people and how much this format probably totally excludes them as an entire swath of the population
I’m colorblind. It does :/
Do you have any design suggestions for op? (Assuming they’re the originators of this chart)
Because as it is, this data is pretty hard to concisely portray. Whoever made this decided to use color, alone, which, even for me who is not colorblind, thinks could use some improvement. Design IS hard, the question is how.
fedinsfw.app looks like.
The porn one.
I’m on sh.ijust.works because it has a bad word in it. I don’t know what you’re all complaining about
I find it mildly interesting that there’s no inverse of lemmygrad, that defederates from everybody else
Defederation is often seen as a last resort and generally seen pretty negatively. Defederating everyone would also get rid of most content
Yeah but this graph would have so much more data >:)
beehaw?
Not according to this graph
A bit scarier than the previous one at first glance, but the single line explanation including everything needed to understand makes it easier to read.
Something though, I think it’d be better to have a cut-off of MAU or some other relevance metric, as otherwise smaller instances defederating from major ones may sneakily make the major one seem more isolated than it really is.
Or scale arrow size by MAU, I don’t know.
That sounds like a great idea, that’s some of the most important information.
I know lots of folks look at this and see a shattering of the what they expect. The Fediverse is NOT a platform. Lemmy.world is NOT the Threadiverse. Let’s break these bonds. I left a server because I was suspected of being a CIA plant. I went to one that was more welcoming. I found they were too strict for me on their rules. I left that. I’m not on piefed.social. I’m planning on running my own piefed for ME and MY family/friends hopefully SOON^TM. If someone defederates from me, that’s ok, they didn’t want me to be a part of their community. MY community still exists.
These aren’t platforms that are out there trying to save the entire world. They’re building a community that interconnects to other communities. Don’t like how they’re doing it, you can literally spin up your own for dollars per month.
Yes, if you want your stuff to be found you have to advocate for it.
I think the Trek communities are stand outs of how this works and how it should be done. Think of like old Forum days. Normally folks would create a forum for a specific topic and other thigns would go other places. But now those forums connect and you can run your own and connect to everyone.
Break this idea that this major pillars disconnecting are fracturing the fediverse. IMO the more small instances we have the stronger the network.
So build a Piefed/Lemmy/Mastodon/GoToSocial/Bonfire whatever for your community and then allow those to connect out to others.
The idea of this change is scary though. And maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we can’t exist the way I hope we do. But I think humans strive for community and communication and we have a new way to provide it to them.
Well said, agent Johnson.
God bless the U.S. of A
There are 500 Lemmy instances and 80 PieFed instances which are too small to show on the graph :)
It would be cool if every instance were a circle, and then you could see the lines
Don’t like how they’re doing it, you can literally spin up your own for dollars per month.
Not so easy.
Mostly a liability issue.
First there’s security - make sure the server doesn’t get compromised.
Then you need to figure out how to deal with illegal content like CSAM (was already a widespread issue on Lemmy at least once, causing multiple instances to shutdown) - even on private instance due to content caching.
And legal issues such as minimum age and privacy regulations that you’d have to comply with.3rd one is not an issue if you only use it yourself, and perhaps with a couple of friends that won’t try to sue you when they get mad.
Besides, and related to “not being a platform”, it helps break the idea of everyone having to share the same space with everyone. If two groups can’t have a healthy relationship, it is healthier for them to cut ties with each other. Meanwhile, the oligarchic platforms being as big and with barely any internal borders makes for the toxic environment of places like Reddit and Twitter that predates recent polemics.
Agreed. Its federated. Let instances do thier thing. It gives us more options not less.
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I always thought that people are drawn into the default instances because they have less friction to sign up and login in third-party apps. Along with new people not quite grasping how the fediverse works when they start using it.
Yes. This. Big Tech has taught folks that there’s only ONE place to sign up. We have to help folks realize, and undo the damage, of centralization. And that’s going to be a very personal and community minded idea. We shouldn’t be going up to everyone and yelling “SIGN UP TO MASTODON!” Because we’ll get “how?” And the answer will be mastodon.social. Instead we need to find groups, let’s say your local gaming group and say “hey I set up this thing that allows us to talk about our local gaming group and OH YEAH it connects to all this other cool shit btw.”
