Hungary will block a planned 90-billion-euro (US$106-billion) European Union loan to Ukraine until the flow of Russian oil through the Druzhba pipeline resumes, Hungary’s foreign minister said.
  • SW42@lemmy.worldEnglish
    691·
    3 days ago

    What a disgrace. I wish all Hungarians Godspeed in getting rid of the Anti-EU idiots in power.

    • 87Six@lemmy.zipEnglish
      291·
      3 days ago

      Uhh the hungarians put them in power ;_;

      They are about as bright as the americans

      • SW42@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        2 days ago

        In my anecdotal experience I think it’s somewhat true for the older generation, but I’ve seen initiatives and protests of the younger generation, more progressive generation that are absolutely pro-EU - despite the blatant anti-EU propaganda that can be seen on almost any street corner when traveling through Hungary.

  • tirateimas@lemmy.ptEnglish
    471·
    3 days ago

    Hungary must change its government or leave the EU. The current government stance doesn’t adhere to the European values, and the government alliances don’t match with the remaining EU countries or EU as a whole.

  • reksas@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    11·
    2 days ago

    why do they still keep hungary in the eu? why not add belarus too while they are at it. Clearly hungary is aligned with russia more, so isnt keeping them around kind of a security risk too?

  • 52fighters@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    151·
    2 days ago

    Hungarians will have a new government in a few weeks. Ukraine just needs to outlast the election cycle.

      • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        2·
        17 hours ago

        Can you elaborate?

        Several of the claims made by your paywalled article are just uncritical repetitions of misinformation peddled by the Orbán government.

        Magyar is not perfect, but IDK why the FUD

        • NorskSud@lemmy.ptEnglish
          1·
          17 hours ago

          Nobody is perfect and I don’t expect any politician to be. He’s for sure better than Orban and I would definitely vote for him if I was Hungarian, because I do believe in avoiding greater evils. That said, his positions on Ukraine or EU integration are far from ideal.

          The article is worth looking for a paywall remover ;)

          • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            2·
            5 hours ago

            Please take it from a Hungarian, you don’t know how bad is it in there.

            He is for tighter EU integration, and he is wishy-washy on Ukraine because he’s being called “Pete Ukrainian, the puppet of Brussels and Zelenskyy” by all radio channels, all but one TV channels, 70% of all billboards, every state news broadcast, every local newspaper and so on basically every 30 minutes for the past 2 years.

            There is total media capture in Hungary by the government, and you can’t beat that if you let them dictate the topic of the day. The government wants the election to be about Ukraine and geopolitical 4D chess, Magyar wants it to be about rich people raping orphans and the total collapse of state services.

            So we don’t talk about Ukraine. It fucking sucks. We also don’t talk about a lot of other very important topics.

  • Fred@lemmy.worldEnglish
    201·
    3 days ago

    I always hear Hungary fucking everything up, why not boot them from the union at this point? They clearly are an actor for a hostile nation, so there’s no need to deal with their bullshit.

    • trollercoaster@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      30·
      3 days ago

      There is no mechanism for removing a member state from the EU other than a voluntary exit.

      And as long as Hungary is getting any kind of monetary benefits from the EU, which Orban can steal, he won’t pull such a move.

      Also his handlers in Moscow might find him more valuable in the EU than outside, so they likely would object to that.

      • Fred@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        1 day ago

        Then clearly one must be made in order to handle this type of sabotage from a union members.

      • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
        18·
        3 days ago

        Maybe we could suspend their membership removing privileges and voting rights, while Hungary is investigated for compliance of EU regulations on for instance their freedom of speech, courts and democracy.

        • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
          18·
          2 days ago

          removing privileges and voting rights, while Hungary is investigated for compliance of EU regulations

          It’s not that easy. This can be abused. Countries joined because the EU had limited power.

          The US has broken the power of its states by threatening to withhold federal funding. The EU is starting to copy that. How does the EU make sure that we don’t copy Trump, too?

          • Buffalox@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            2 days ago

            False equivalence. EU is not controlled by a single president, for such actions there would have to be a near unanimous agreement among the other member states.
            So the comparison would be if for instance 45 states agreed to take away privileges from one state in USA, instead of just 1 president, that may not even have won by a majority vote.

            There’s a difference between a decision made in a democracy that respect minorities (EU), and a decision made by a president that is granted excessive powers in a dysfunctional democracy.

            • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
              11·
              2 days ago

              That’s how the US started. Still, legally, the president cannot change laws. It was normalized under Obama to get around this with executive orders.

              It’s a development. If we step on that slippery slope, we should know in advance that we stop before it is too late. And above all, we should not assume that it can’t happen in the EU.

                • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  When the initial step is not demonstrably likely to result in the claimed effects, this is called the slippery slope fallacy.

                  The EU was created as an economic union with the intention to create a political union. It’s a slippery slope by design.

                  Obama made the least number of executive orders

                  Interesting. I only remember democrats arguing that Obama had to use the orders because republicans were blocking congress.

      • Skyrmir@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        I’m betting a mechanism could be created. It hasn’t happened because Germany and France don’t want it to, yet. That could change.

          • Skyrmir@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            2 days ago

            There’s no such thing as ‘must be’. There’s only as much as the member states will put up with. If the cost exceeds the value, it will get changed, along with any rules that supposedly prevent it. The only thing the rules do is set a higher cost.

  • kossa@feddit.orgEnglish
    62·
    2 days ago

    If you can’t get rid of a EU member all other members need to quit the EU and found a new one, without said member 🤔

    • CAVOK@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      Starting a new EU isn’t really feasible either since it’ll be the “old” EU who holds all the trade-deals and other agreements/contracts.

      • kossa@feddit.orgEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        If the old EU only comprises of Hungary, the new EU would get just the same trade deals within a day, I reckon.

        • CAVOK@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          Still need to negotiate and sign deals. It’s not a quick process and some counties might want to change some things.

          All in all it’ll be very complicated and messy. Not really realistic tbh, but a fun thought experiment.