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The Ratchet Effect

DEMOCRATS BLOCK MOVEMENT BACK TO THE LEFT / REPUBLICANS TURN EVERYTHING TO THE RIGHT

Many of us are demanding to arrest or at least abolish all of ICE.

You can see posts that say “arrest ICE” or simply “fuck ICE” with very positive reddit vote scores in many cases.

What about arresting ICE in real life?

What if the next Presidential election arrives, and instead of voting Republican or Democrat, I’m going around supporting a candidate who focuses on driving awareness of all the ICE crimes caught on video?

Because when I say “fuck ICE,” I don’t mean it as shorthand for “fuck Trump.” More like shorthand for “fuck all the authorities that abuse their power” or "fuck the military industrial complex " or “fuck the parallels between my country and the Nazi Germany we supposedly defeated.”

Or just “fuck having a country where I can be robbed, beaten, or killed by the authorities any day, without consequences.”

Parts of this post, placed anywhere with reddit-style votes, might reveal not many Americans are really with me on this.

Forget a President, I wonder if any major city can even elect 1 mayor, that goes 1 day, without making a choice that helps someone in uniform get away with robbing, beating, or killing someone else.

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  • Ludicrous0251@piefed.zipEnglish
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    17 days ago

    Single issue voters and third party candidates because “both sides bad” is what got us into our current predicament.

    Don’t be a single issue voter for third party candidates because “both sides bad”. Feel free to vote that way in the primaries, get out and campaign for the candidate you think is best, but when they don’t make it to round 2, don’t throw away your vote - that does nothing for US elections.

    Also, fuck ICE, but “my opinion gets lots of upvotes on Reddit” is not a basis of government.

    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      15 days ago

      People like you keep calling everyone with concerns single issue voters. We’re supposed to abandon the economy, queer rights, abortion, freedom, holding tyrants accountable, making the system more stable, standing up to fascists, and every single other issue for what?

      In exchange for abandoning everything what do we get? Another four years of nothing? More rot added to the neoliberal decay?

        • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          15 days ago

          But its not nothing, its the system silently rotting from its own inherent contradictions. There are always people suffering incredibly during these periods of quiet and then theres those privileged enough to not see that.

          • Ludicrous0251@piefed.zipEnglish
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            15 days ago

            I absolutely see suffering everywhere. None of this is lost on me.

            But I see that suffering amplified under the current administration in a way that it wouldn’t be under another leader.

            Progress takes time and ignorance of this fact is what conservatives feed on. Dividing people is their specialty. They want you to feel hopeless, to give up, to waste your voice on infighting so they can further secure power even though they are in the minority.

            Republicans cheer for every vote for Jill Stein. Every person who believes each candidate is somehow equally repugnant and chooses not to vote. These things help them cling to power and they have 0 incentive to change the system.

      • Ludicrous0251@piefed.zipEnglish
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        17 days ago

        I blame the people who enable the perpetrators. While the US is still a democracy, that includes people who voted for the perpetrators, as well as those who threw away their vote allowing the perpetrators to win.

        The blame doesn’t stop there, I also blame the DNC’s bungled handling of the election, but regardless, I have zero doubt in my mind that there would be fewer government kidnappings under Harris regardless of how shitty the circumstances of her nomination were.

        In what way did voting for 3rd party candidates last election stop perpetrators? In what way will voting for third party candidates stop perpetrators in future elections? By all means campaign for them, raise awareness, but if they can’t make it past the post your votes are wasted.

        Until US moves away from FPTP system, you have to work with the system we’ve been dealt, while pushing for reform. Just wishing it was different doesn’t help anyone but the worst candidates.

          • Eldritch@piefed.worldEnglish
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            17 days ago

            That’s great. Most don’t. Plenty of us remember the hateful dogpiling of privileged bluestaters. Anytime someone begged others to just vote. Not for a specific candidate, but just to vote against the Republicans. Yes It didn’t matter if you voted because your state was already going that way. But that wasn’t the case for most other states.

            Or when others begged people to vote strategically for candidates that stood a chance of beating the Republicans. Yes, it didn’t matter if you did or didn’t because your state was already going that way. Good for you. That wasn’t the case for most people. The fact that so many loud obnoxious oblivious blue-staters managed to convince Palestinians in swing states to vote for Trump. Chefs kiss, hilarious. With allies like that who needs enemies.