• ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶@lemmy.nz
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    1 day ago

    Some examples: China produces a huge amount of solar panels that we need for green energy. China is also building and using a ton of coal power plants, more than any other country.

    China is moving away from Microsoft which will lead to decrease in Microsoft power and hopefully lead to a bunch of work on open source projects. China is also comitting genocide on the Uyghurs.

    Etc

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      15 hours ago

      You’re not using consumption adjusted emissions and are therefore accidentally saying nonsense, if you use consumption based emissions, the us is at like double… so uh no, they win there too undeniably.

      Also the trajectory is better too.

      i’m not saying china is great but that’s a nonsense point.

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        11 hours ago

        China has more coal power plants than any other country, by a huge margin. 8x more than the US. How is that nonsense?

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          10 hours ago

          For two reasons

          1. They’re manufacturing for other countries, hence the indexed emissions I recommended. Consumption adjusted emissions tells a much more fair story, it’s easy to be zero emissions if you move all manufacturing to china.
          2. Massive population.

          It’s not a valid metric. Per thing consumed china creates way less emissions.

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            9 hours ago

            Strange, I don’t remember mentioning emissions at all. Pretty sure I was contrasting producing green tech with dirty power plants.

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              …what is the problem with coal plants if not emissions?

              Anyway, my point is that most of those coal plants are essentially doing work for other countries, since other countries are importing their goods. It’s misleading to say china’s power is dirty when they’re doing practically the entire worlds manufacturing. Then there’s the population difference, the trajectory of green power, and the fact that there the coal plants are primarily used as toppers.

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      24 hours ago

      Those latter two examples seem pretty unrelated. I’m no fan of China’s government for various reasons, but them moving away from Microsoft seems like a good outcome for everyone.

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      23 hours ago

      So China will counteract its adoption of linux by… Committing a genocide? Something doesn’t add up here.

      If you want to criticize China then find something more relevant and credible than CIA propaganda.

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              4 hours ago

              Amnesty International has a long history of dismissing anti-colonial resistance on the one hand, and whitewashing western-led massacres on the other.

              In 2015, Amnesty published several reports on the 2014 Gaza massacres according to which it condemned the Palestinian resistance while simultaneously under-reporting and under-emphsizing Israeli war crimes. Source 1 Source 2

              Not to mention the organization’s hesitancy to condemn Israel’s genocide for the longest time possible.

              In 1964, Amnesty disqualified Nelson Mandela as a priaoner of conscience for defending the African National Congress’s use of organized political violence as a necessary and ethical response in the struggle against apartheid. A similar fate happened to whistleblower Julian Assange. Source

              Amnesty has repetitively shown anticommunist tendencies, for instance in its 1981 report which dismissed communists as prisoners of conscience because they wanted to overthrow the capitalist state. (Source: Tobias Kelly, A Divided Conscience, Public Culture 30: 3, 1 September 2018, p. 370).

              Recently, Amnesty justified Trump’s illegal meddling in Venezuela under the facade of human rights violations. Source

              It is ironic how competent Amnesty is in documenting human rights violations in noncapitalist and non-Western states, but is simultaneously oblivious and very narrow-scoped in assessing the state of human rights in Western-aligned countries, namely their disastrous reporting of Pinochet’s Chile. Read on this topic Jessica Whyte, The Morals of the Market, Chapter 4.

              If an organization is selective and counter intuitive in what it condemns as violence and whatnot, how could it be trusted? Notwithstanding the fact that Amnesty has a history of receiving funding from the United States State Department, the UK Department for International Development, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Ford Foundation, and many other shady governments and think tanks.