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I have told you I will not vote for a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul.
You have. This is an irrelevant bit to prove you are not straw-manning me, though.
Your position is that I must in order to ‘stop fascism’.
Technically it’s that (encouraging people to) sit out elections rather than voting for a Lesser Evil is enabling MAGA/facism, but close enough to the point of splitting hairs and pedantry.
You continue to side-step the idea of why it is unreasonable to expect the democrats to run an option that is not a genocidal neo-liberal ghoul - why they can’t be expected to serve anything but sand.
No I don’t. You haven’t even introduced it until the most recent comment, and I addressed it. I’ll expand to make you more comfortable, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable to essentially treat you like a fool for not realizing it’s a belief I hold:
Yes, the Democrats have failed to introduce strong enough candidates to be hugely better than MAGA in every way. They are the sand in the metaphor.
You are implying I think eating sand is good or that serving sand is good, which is either an insult to my intelligence, an indicator of your poor intelligence, or a sign you are participating in this discussion in bad faith. I’m leaning #3, but I admit that’s just a guess.
Look - I don’t think your position is either logically consistent or will lead to the practical outcomes you say you desire.
I believe that the only way to create progress in the US is to refuse to vote for genocidal neo-liberals. If we vote for them just because the alternative is a little bit worse, we will literally never get progress. Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already.
The ONLY way to create real change is to let the democrats know that they will not win until they offer candidates who are committed to real change.
Look - I don’t think your position is either logically consistent or will lead to the practical outcomes you say you desire.
Likewise!
I believe that the only way to create progress in the US is to refuse to vote for genocidal neo-liberals.
And again, fascists/MAGA are very, very happy you feel that way, especially when you convince others of it.
Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already.
Read a book sometime, especially about people like FDR.
OK - so if we agree that what you are proposing won’t work, why are you continuing to espouse that position?
OK - so fascists are happy that democrats won’t run real candidates - but it’s somehow MY fault for not voting for them rather than democrats for insisting on running them despite the fact that they enable fascists?
I’m well aware of FDR. FYI he was president 93 years ago, and much of the progress he made has been dismantled, a good deal of it by democrats. You are making my point for me.
OK - so if we agree that what you are proposing won’t work
Another straw-man.
Are you this bad at reading comprehension or do you know you’re lying and you’re just doing all of this in bad faith? I admit I’m curious and want to know before I block you for being a serial time-waster.
Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already.
I’m well aware of FDR. FYI he was president 93 years ago,
I’m really not sure why you won’t answer the very simple question - why is the only course of action that you think is unreasonable the democrats running real candidates?
I will not vote for them until they do - if they believe that stopping fascism is less important than stopping real political change then the results are their fault - not mine.
What point are you making about FDR? You brought him up as an example of a real democrat - sure - but that was almost a century ago. I think it’s telling that he is your go-to example. What’s funny about that?
I’m really not sure why you won’t answer the very simple question - why is the only course of action that you think is unreasonable the democrats running real candidates?
Because it’s a bad faith question. Observe:
Why do you eat babies?
What point are you making about FDR? You brought him up as an example of a real democrat - sure - but that was almost a century ago.
Because you said people like him have never existed. I mentioned he did. Now you say you knew all about him the whole time.
So go argue with Terrorphin@thelemmy.club, because they disagreed with you about FDR’s existence a mere two comments ago.
Either you have significant cognitive impairments or the substance of our argument is less important than you doing mental gymnastics in service of a propaganda win.
Whichever it is, I don’t think it’s a good use of my time to read and respond to you any more. Any reader that feels like wasting their time reading what you’re saying can see you’re participating in bad faith and come to their own conclusions.
It’s not a bad faith question. You yourself said that the democratic party is like a restaurant that only serves sand. Why is it that the only thing that it’s unreasonable to do in the fight against fascism is demand that the democrats run candidates worth voting for? It’s a fair question.
I don’t eat babies. It’s not remotely comparable - we both agree that the democratic party is serving sand. There’s no dispute on the facts.
I did not say that people like him never existed in history. My point was that he has not been on the ballot for a century. I was clearly talking about the contemporary democratic party - not ancient history.
Why is it that the only thing that it’s unreasonable to do in the fight against fascism is demand that the democrats run candidates worth voting for?
For the hundredth time, I never said that.
You are the one who injected “abstaining from voting is a good choice” into the discussion. That is a dumb take, as I described above.
When I suffer some form of traumatic brain injury and subsequently say “Demanding Democrats run better candidates is bad,” feel free to make the above points.
Doing so in this particular discussion is a waste of both of our time.
I did not say that people like him never existed in history.
It is.
You have. This is an irrelevant bit to prove you are not straw-manning me, though.
Technically it’s that (encouraging people to) sit out elections rather than voting for a Lesser Evil is enabling MAGA/facism, but close enough to the point of splitting hairs and pedantry.
No I don’t. You haven’t even introduced it until the most recent comment, and I addressed it. I’ll expand to make you more comfortable, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable to essentially treat you like a fool for not realizing it’s a belief I hold:
Yes, the Democrats have failed to introduce strong enough candidates to be hugely better than MAGA in every way. They are the sand in the metaphor.
You are implying I think eating sand is good or that serving sand is good, which is either an insult to my intelligence, an indicator of your poor intelligence, or a sign you are participating in this discussion in bad faith. I’m leaning #3, but I admit that’s just a guess.
Look - I don’t think your position is either logically consistent or will lead to the practical outcomes you say you desire. I believe that the only way to create progress in the US is to refuse to vote for genocidal neo-liberals. If we vote for them just because the alternative is a little bit worse, we will literally never get progress. Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already. The ONLY way to create real change is to let the democrats know that they will not win until they offer candidates who are committed to real change.
Likewise!
And again, fascists/MAGA are very, very happy you feel that way, especially when you convince others of it.
Read a book sometime, especially about people like FDR.
OK - so if we agree that what you are proposing won’t work, why are you continuing to espouse that position? OK - so fascists are happy that democrats won’t run real candidates - but it’s somehow MY fault for not voting for them rather than democrats for insisting on running them despite the fact that they enable fascists? I’m well aware of FDR. FYI he was president 93 years ago, and much of the progress he made has been dismantled, a good deal of it by democrats. You are making my point for me.
Another straw-man.
Are you this bad at reading comprehension or do you know you’re lying and you’re just doing all of this in bad faith? I admit I’m curious and want to know before I block you for being a serial time-waster.
lol. lmao, even
Are you PLA, MAGA, or Kremlin-paid?
I’m really not sure why you won’t answer the very simple question - why is the only course of action that you think is unreasonable the democrats running real candidates? I will not vote for them until they do - if they believe that stopping fascism is less important than stopping real political change then the results are their fault - not mine. What point are you making about FDR? You brought him up as an example of a real democrat - sure - but that was almost a century ago. I think it’s telling that he is your go-to example. What’s funny about that?
Because it’s a bad faith question. Observe:
Why do you eat babies?
Because you said people like him have never existed. I mentioned he did. Now you say you knew all about him the whole time.
So go argue with Terrorphin@thelemmy.club, because they disagreed with you about FDR’s existence a mere two comments ago.
Either you have significant cognitive impairments or the substance of our argument is less important than you doing mental gymnastics in service of a propaganda win.
Whichever it is, I don’t think it’s a good use of my time to read and respond to you any more. Any reader that feels like wasting their time reading what you’re saying can see you’re participating in bad faith and come to their own conclusions.
It’s not a bad faith question. You yourself said that the democratic party is like a restaurant that only serves sand. Why is it that the only thing that it’s unreasonable to do in the fight against fascism is demand that the democrats run candidates worth voting for? It’s a fair question. I don’t eat babies. It’s not remotely comparable - we both agree that the democratic party is serving sand. There’s no dispute on the facts. I did not say that people like him never existed in history. My point was that he has not been on the ballot for a century. I was clearly talking about the contemporary democratic party - not ancient history.
Lol this guy wants to argue and get themselves worked up. I find it funny.
Do you think they got banned off of reddit?
For the hundredth time, I never said that.
You are the one who injected “abstaining from voting is a good choice” into the discussion. That is a dumb take, as I described above.
When I suffer some form of traumatic brain injury and subsequently say “Demanding Democrats run better candidates is bad,” feel free to make the above points.
Doing so in this particular discussion is a waste of both of our time.
Lmfao. I guess someone “hacked” your account when you said “Your dream of a day when the democrats start serving real food will never come - let’s be real - if they wanted to do that they would have done it already.”
Again, whether you take me for an idiot, you are an idiot, or you are trying to do a Russia/China/MAGA propaganda:
Goodbye.