Wasn’t a genuine question, more of an expression of exacerbation. However, I think this is a stance that demonstrates a less actionable understanding of liberals.

It’s true that many have a material interset in the maintenance of capitalist systems – and all the violence that is necessary for them to exist whether they acknowledge that openly or not – but you’re framing it moralistically as though these people also choose to both be dependent on that system, and be neglected the knowledge and skills necessary to recognize necessary action. I do understand the pessimism deeply, as my experience has taught me that many do choose to remain in ignorance when the opportunity is given; for a number of reasons, but entitled petulance is certainly a factor. If you listen to workers though, you’ll notice they do understand that the issue is systemic and not effectively met by individual action. As you said, recognizing what that systemic failure is, who it serves and why, and how to organize in opposition to it are skills that require years of knowledge building to develop. Even further, fascist disinformation campaigns are made more effective by this ignorance when they validate internalized setter-colonial values which these people obviously don’t know to be fascistic in the first place. There’s nothing convenient about being purposefully disempowered, and no shame in the inability to sacrifice the wellbeing of your dependents to participate in action (or “bite the hand”) if you’ve never been taught about organization.

When you say this, I can’t help but wonder if you’ve seen firsthand the immense levels of anxiety in working-class, blue-collar families as the failures of this system become undeniable and they are indeed unable to understand exactly what to do about it. They don’t need the system to completely fall apart to become motivated, many have felt insecure their entire lives and suffered the everpresent threat of homelessness or disability inflicted on them and their families. Those same people have been receptive to systemic change for a long time, and you’re right, they are victims of a system that holds their security hostage behind compliance. Maybe if you’ve only lived in an affluent suburb, it’s easier to entertain the idea that people only ever choose inaction, but I’m afraid this thinking is more limiting than the catharsis is worth. I’ve found it better to meet them with empathy and focus on language building or talking points that emphasize the insecurity of this system that they intuitively know to be true, and educate them on different risk levels of action. There isn’t a threshold where people like that will suddenly be receptive to systemic change, they’ve wanted it their whole lives and we’re seeing the consequences of their desire in the success of populist fascist rhetoric in this moment.

Way to self-report your inactivity. I have never lived in a city in my country without multiple mutual aid organizations that took action to improve the material conditions of marginalized groups or participate in public demonstrations to platform their criticisms that were explicitly anarchist or socialist in their political orientation. I bet you have never actually taken the time to learn just how dependent the US system is on programs developed by Black Liberationist mutual aid groups, or how much of your environmental protections have resulted from indigenous and Native American resistance. Have some perspective ffs, just because you’re just now hearing about these things doesn’t mean they only appear in your line of sight.

Tread carefully, you sound sus.

Are you serious? I’m just throwing an idea here. How can you be so sure all this data is legit, when the DOD had plenty of time to add or remove anything they wanted?

I am NOT a trump supporter, far from it, but I won’t believe something just because it would fit nicely in my worldview.

What I find sus is the fact that they released the files when nothing stopped them from keeping them secret.

Exactly, it’s not like they broke up the “organization”. They just said "hey could you guys keep it down in there ".