Gen Z is often dismissed as apathetic. But interviews with leading scholars suggest otherwise: a generation coming of age amid crises in housing, work, and political institutions is not losing faith in politics but in the promises of capitalism.
The problem was when Obama let us down then, too many people walked away thinking that somehow getting less involved in politics would somehow fix things.
To be clear the problem was Obama and his refusal to name a progressive DNC chair and just in general ignoring the party and leaving Hillary and her dirty money as the only option.
But voters need to respond to that shit by being more informed and voting even harder. Not by checking out of the political process
The democrat party apparatus relies upon operatives all throughout the smaller, local administrative roles–establishment insiders in the pockets of the party aristocracy–to rig the primary elections from the ground on upward against progressive challengers.
The only way to strip that capability away from them is to rip out the incumbents IN THE PRIMARIES all the way down to where you live. And the way you do that is:
You DON’T just vote in the national scale elections; rather, you instead vote in EVERY LOCAL ELECTION TOO. Anytime an incumbent is challenged–ESPECIALLY if the challengers have actual good policy in their platforms–you HAVE to vote for the challengers.
Calling it “voting harder” is disingenuous and both undercuts as well as mischaracterizes what is ACTUALLY necessary, which is participating more often.
there is a fundamental difference between frequency and amplitude. Everyone intrinsically knows there is no such thing as “VOTING HARDER”; meanwhile, too few people know that they can–AND SHOULD–vote More Often.
Hell, fascists practically ONLY win when voter turnout is low, and they know it. it’s literally the ENTIRE REASON they push so very hard to disenfranchise voters. Any increase in voter participation is the very last thing fascists want. That alone makes it morally and ethically superior to motivate more frequent voter participation in every POSSIBLE context.
I’m so fucking tired of dipshits playing right into conservatoids’ hands when they think refusing to vote will do JACK FUCKING SHIT about the centrists… Except to let them ratchet even further rightward.
The democrat party apparatus relies upon operatives all throughout the smaller, local administrative roles–establishment insiders in the pockets of the party aristocracy–to rig the primary elections from the ground on upward against progressive challengers
If it was 2024 you’d be making a lot of sense…
But you’re 18 months behind and saying all that a few months before the midterms…
Kind of makes your ignorance suspicious when you “care” enough to type that much
I think you and the person you replied to are both at the core making the same point, even if from different initial states. To quote the previous:
The only way to strip that capability away from them is to rip out the incumbents IN THE PRIMARIES all the way down to where you live. And the way you do that is:
You DON’T just vote in the national scale elections; rather, you instead vote in EVERY LOCAL ELECTION TOO
How naive of you, failing to realize that now, as we approach the midterms, is exactly when our attention is needed most.
The time to pick a candidate was in the primary, which is why I was telling people to vote in primaries…
We’re past the primaries now, in case you haven’t noticed.
If you’re going to try and advocate for a third party candidate over a Dem in a specific race go fucking find that candidate first, don’t just shit on Dems and hope something better magically fucking appears
The primaries are in fact behind us, so I accept that asking people to focus on primaries will do nothing right now.
I also regret that I spoke so disrespectfully. I want to change that habit so I must acknowledge that it’s something I have done, and something I want to stop doing. I didn’t bring anything useful to the conversation jumping to interpret your response as an attack; irrespective of intention, you deserved more grace from me than I provided.
I apologize. If you want me to, I will delete what I wrote. Just let me know and I will. My default position is to keep it up to preserve the context of the conversation if anyone else reads it.
There are far worse people who are far less deserving of respect. You are rational and actually attempting to be constructive which is well worth recognition.
I would like to stop taking respectable people for granted, especially now that I end up wading through a cesspit of braindead conservatoid pedophile-worshipping subhuman scum most of the time. Even if it were just on PRINCIPLE i should be treating literally anyone else markedly better than THEM.
Weird to see them act like that’s not political, or that it’s new to Gen z…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
The problem was when Obama let us down then, too many people walked away thinking that somehow getting less involved in politics would somehow fix things.
To be clear the problem was Obama and his refusal to name a progressive DNC chair and just in general ignoring the party and leaving Hillary and her dirty money as the only option.
But voters need to respond to that shit by being more informed and voting even harder. Not by checking out of the political process
The democrat party apparatus relies upon operatives all throughout the smaller, local administrative roles–establishment insiders in the pockets of the party aristocracy–to rig the primary elections from the ground on upward against progressive challengers.
The only way to strip that capability away from them is to rip out the incumbents IN THE PRIMARIES all the way down to where you live. And the way you do that is:
You DON’T just vote in the national scale elections; rather, you instead vote in EVERY LOCAL ELECTION TOO. Anytime an incumbent is challenged–ESPECIALLY if the challengers have actual good policy in their platforms–you HAVE to vote for the challengers.
Calling it “voting harder” is disingenuous and both undercuts as well as mischaracterizes what is ACTUALLY necessary, which is participating more often.
there is a fundamental difference between frequency and amplitude. Everyone intrinsically knows there is no such thing as “VOTING HARDER”; meanwhile, too few people know that they can–AND SHOULD–vote More Often.
Hell, fascists practically ONLY win when voter turnout is low, and they know it. it’s literally the ENTIRE REASON they push so very hard to disenfranchise voters. Any increase in voter participation is the very last thing fascists want. That alone makes it morally and ethically superior to motivate more frequent voter participation in every POSSIBLE context.
I’m so fucking tired of dipshits playing right into conservatoids’ hands when they think refusing to vote will do JACK FUCKING SHIT about the centrists… Except to let them ratchet even further rightward.
If it was 2024 you’d be making a lot of sense…
But you’re 18 months behind and saying all that a few months before the midterms…
Kind of makes your ignorance suspicious when you “care” enough to type that much
I think you and the person you replied to are both at the core making the same point, even if from different initial states. To quote the previous:
Yeah, and if it was primary season and they were telling people to vote, we’d be agreeing…
But primaries are over and the midterms are a few months away…
So all that person is doing, is hurting Dem turnout, when we need it the most
We’re in this mess because people have had a terrible habit of ignoring the midterms and only focusing on the presidential election every four years.
How naive of you, failing to realize that now, as we approach the midterms, is exactly when our attention is needed most.
I, for one, would like to encourage people to strive for a better outcome than “just as shitty as all the previous times” for once.
The time to pick a candidate was in the primary, which is why I was telling people to vote in primaries…
We’re past the primaries now, in case you haven’t noticed.
If you’re going to try and advocate for a third party candidate over a Dem in a specific race go fucking find that candidate first, don’t just shit on Dems and hope something better magically fucking appears
I will take this L, actually.
The primaries are in fact behind us, so I accept that asking people to focus on primaries will do nothing right now.
I also regret that I spoke so disrespectfully. I want to change that habit so I must acknowledge that it’s something I have done, and something I want to stop doing. I didn’t bring anything useful to the conversation jumping to interpret your response as an attack; irrespective of intention, you deserved more grace from me than I provided.
I apologize. If you want me to, I will delete what I wrote. Just let me know and I will. My default position is to keep it up to preserve the context of the conversation if anyone else reads it.
There are far worse people who are far less deserving of respect. You are rational and actually attempting to be constructive which is well worth recognition.
I would like to stop taking respectable people for granted, especially now that I end up wading through a cesspit of braindead conservatoid pedophile-worshipping subhuman scum most of the time. Even if it were just on PRINCIPLE i should be treating literally anyone else markedly better than THEM.