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    Every israeli settler is a jew, but not every jew is an israeli settler, and I don’t think Palestinians hate anybody but the settlers.

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      I mean it’s hard to find data that doesn’t come from people like the Anti-defamation League (whose claims should obviously be dismissed), so you’ll have to make do with examples, but there are plenty of examples:

      In July 1990, the Palestinian Liberation Organization-affiliated Palestinian Red Crescent published an article in its magazine Balsam claiming that Jews concocted, “The lie concerning the gas chambers.” Gradually, throughout the 1990s, Holocaust denial became commonplace in popular media in the Middle East, particularly in the Palestinian Authority.

      The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Sheikh Ekrima Sa’id Sabri appeared on the Saudi satellite channel Al-Majd on February 20, 2005, commenting on the assassination of the former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. “Anyone who studies The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and specifically the Talmud,” he said, “will discover that one of the goals of these Protocols is to cause confusion in the world and to undermine security throughout the world.”

      Now it’s possible that these statements by political and religious leaders don’t represent the broader populace, but nothing I’ve seen suggests this, nor would it track with the attitude of other peoples who have suffered oppression for a long time. The opposite would also track with the long history of Palestinian terror attacks (not resistance, which is obviously valid and just, but specifically the terror attacks, which BTW aren’t restricted to Hamas); the assumption seems to be that most if not all Jews are Zionists out for their blood. The problem here is that the only Jews the vast majority of Palestinians will interact with or see in the news are murderous Zionists, so the mental model of “Jew = murderous Zionist” works well enough to just be accepted as fact.

      Edit: Slight rephrasing, content is the same.

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        The opposite would also track with the long history of Palestinian terror attacks (not resistance, which is obviously valid and just, but specifically the terror attacks, which BTW aren’t restricted to Hamas)

        Tell me more about those Palestinian terror attacks that are not resistance. When did they happen? And what makes you think some fighting is resistance, and some isn’t? Are you a specialist in resistance?

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            if somebody took your home, killed your Grandparents, killed your Father, raped your Mother, put your brother in a prison, without process or any chance of defense, and shot your youngest baby while harassing your village to make you leave, because they want to colonize even more of your people’s land, do you think you’d care of what helped or didn’t help your cause?

            And as a matter of fact, there is nothing a Palestinian can do to help the Palestinian cause. They get raped, killed, beaten, amputated, arrested, humiliated, their land stolen, and governments around the world still support Israel, and do NOTHING to help Palestinians. This is going on for close to 80 years now.

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              do you think you’d care of what helped or didn’t help your cause?

              I mean I hope I would, but also that has nothing to do with what I said. The fact that Palestinian antisemitism is rooted in their legitimate anger against their oppressors doesn’t make it any less antisemitic.

              And as a matter of fact, there is nothing a Palestinian can do to help the Palestinian cause.

              That is completely false. October 7th (and the predictably genocidal backlash to it) essentially expanded the Palestinian solidarity movement by an order of magnitude, and before that the Second Intifada caused Israel to withdraw from Gaza and the First Intifada and the Second Intifada lead to Israel making concessions to Palestinians for the first time ever (the Oslo Accords, as much of a half-measure as they were). Moving away from violent resistance, BDS keeps expanding year after year, costing Israel billions of dollars (though admittedly this is more limited than most of us would like).