In “Aleins”, he even does both “generes”. You have Vasquez as the stereotypical action hero badass marine woman, who has adopted a “man’s” role. But you also have Ripley, who is a badass action hero, but is entirely feminine.
Her “Get away from her, you bitch!” line is so iconic because it’s the action climax of the film in which she’s being her most badass, but also being entirely feminine. She’s a mother battling grief over the death of her child whose maternal instincts are fueling her to protect the remaining people she loves, and it driver her to take on a monster.
I remember as a child (probably 2 or 4) having a crazed bull charge me in a field, and my otherwise timid, traditionally-obedient WASP mother ran between the charging longhorn and me, stood her ground, and stared it down while shouting at it. The bull veered off and stayed clear of me from then on.
You got a WASP mother pero me estás hablando de generes? What’s your linguistic background? I think the English word would be “types,” or maybe, if you want to get fancy, "“archetypes.”
I’ve got mixed feelings about the Mary Sue thing–that is to say female characters that are automatically good at everythig. On the one hand, people say that it isn’t sexist because there are “Marty Stu’s”, the male version of it. But the reality is that the Mary Sue was the start of the trope because it is so offensive to people that a WOMAN could just be good at EVERYTHING that people had to come up with a word for it. Looking back, it’s trivial to find a plethora of Marty Stus that escaped public notice for years (James T Kirk, James Bond).
I think it’s really a question if we’re going to allow girls the same access to infantile power fantasies that we do boys, and that I guess I do not have a problem with, though as I grow older I’m increasingly uncomfortable with the wish fulfillment aspect of media.
That said, I think Sue/Stu does rob your character of potential avenues to demonstrate development and it makes the narrative less interesting, so you have to make up for it somehow; unless it’s just a stupid show for stupid children, something Disney has decided it is making exclusively these days.
And I agree with 100%. Cameron’s women are amazing examples of how to make women action heroes WITHOUT turning them into stereotypical men.
“Genereas” was a typo of “genres”. I’m very, very white. I grew up in Texas, took 4 years of Latin, and briefly studied linguistics in college, but like a proper white Texan I barely have enough Spanish to order Mexican food for some reason.
Ah. “Genres” didn’t make sense to me, because that’s a broad category: like SF, thriller, fantasy, romance, etc…
Your resistance to learning other languages is quite impressive! I also took four years of Latin. I kept failing or almost failing but they kept pushing me to the next class hoping I’d catch up. You can get surprisingly far just guessing a translation based on vocabulary.
Myb4 years were kinda weird. I had 1 really solid year the first year it was taught at my school. Then the teacher got a better job offer elsewhere, so they brought in a new teacher that sounded like he would be awesome, because he used to teach Latin on TV! Turns out he had scripts then and didn’t know shit about Latin, and we didn’t actually study Latin at all my second year. Like: we had the class in a computer lab that was used by the language classes because of the software for the Spanish and French classes, and we spent a year playing Starcraft instead of studying Latin.
They fired that idiot, and brought in a new teacher that was excellent, but so many people had dropped out after the insanity of the second teacher they ended up combining the Latin II and III students into a single class. And since the Latin II students hadn’t actually been taught anything, so my Latin III AP class was just intro Latin I again.
So in 4 years of classes I studied 2 years of Latin.
Yikes! What were you doing learning latin at all? I went to a snooty private school that still had it on its menu. I took it in 7th and 8th grade, then fucking refused to take it in High School despite being on the “smart kid” track intended for doctors and lawyers, taking French instead. In college, I had another shot at it because I needed it for my major, but my learning block for Latin was already well established by that point. I remember the final final exam was on Cicero and that he was big into long sentences with lots of grammar and that my attempts to imagine the meaning based on vocabulary failed at that point.
I might re-visit Latin, maybe if I ever get through Italian.
Starcraft is also pretty cool though. I used to shut my brain off for hours at a time and just Zerg rush every level in the game. I think there was only one level where you had to plan very carefully.
Cameron knows how to do a heroine.
In “Aleins”, he even does both “generes”. You have Vasquez as the stereotypical action hero badass marine woman, who has adopted a “man’s” role. But you also have Ripley, who is a badass action hero, but is entirely feminine.
Her “Get away from her, you bitch!” line is so iconic because it’s the action climax of the film in which she’s being her most badass, but also being entirely feminine. She’s a mother battling grief over the death of her child whose maternal instincts are fueling her to protect the remaining people she loves, and it driver her to take on a monster.
I remember as a child (probably 2 or 4) having a crazed bull charge me in a field, and my otherwise timid, traditionally-obedient WASP mother ran between the charging longhorn and me, stood her ground, and stared it down while shouting at it. The bull veered off and stayed clear of me from then on.
That was my mother’s action hero moment.
You got a WASP mother pero me estás hablando de generes? What’s your linguistic background? I think the English word would be “types,” or maybe, if you want to get fancy, "“archetypes.”
I’ve got mixed feelings about the Mary Sue thing–that is to say female characters that are automatically good at everythig. On the one hand, people say that it isn’t sexist because there are “Marty Stu’s”, the male version of it. But the reality is that the Mary Sue was the start of the trope because it is so offensive to people that a WOMAN could just be good at EVERYTHING that people had to come up with a word for it. Looking back, it’s trivial to find a plethora of Marty Stus that escaped public notice for years (James T Kirk, James Bond).
I think it’s really a question if we’re going to allow girls the same access to infantile power fantasies that we do boys, and that I guess I do not have a problem with, though as I grow older I’m increasingly uncomfortable with the wish fulfillment aspect of media.
That said, I think Sue/Stu does rob your character of potential avenues to demonstrate development and it makes the narrative less interesting, so you have to make up for it somehow; unless it’s just a stupid show for stupid children, something Disney has decided it is making exclusively these days.
And I agree with 100%. Cameron’s women are amazing examples of how to make women action heroes WITHOUT turning them into stereotypical men.
“Genereas” was a typo of “genres”. I’m very, very white. I grew up in Texas, took 4 years of Latin, and briefly studied linguistics in college, but like a proper white Texan I barely have enough Spanish to order Mexican food for some reason.
Ah. “Genres” didn’t make sense to me, because that’s a broad category: like SF, thriller, fantasy, romance, etc…
Your resistance to learning other languages is quite impressive! I also took four years of Latin. I kept failing or almost failing but they kept pushing me to the next class hoping I’d catch up. You can get surprisingly far just guessing a translation based on vocabulary.
Myb4 years were kinda weird. I had 1 really solid year the first year it was taught at my school. Then the teacher got a better job offer elsewhere, so they brought in a new teacher that sounded like he would be awesome, because he used to teach Latin on TV! Turns out he had scripts then and didn’t know shit about Latin, and we didn’t actually study Latin at all my second year. Like: we had the class in a computer lab that was used by the language classes because of the software for the Spanish and French classes, and we spent a year playing Starcraft instead of studying Latin.
They fired that idiot, and brought in a new teacher that was excellent, but so many people had dropped out after the insanity of the second teacher they ended up combining the Latin II and III students into a single class. And since the Latin II students hadn’t actually been taught anything, so my Latin III AP class was just intro Latin I again.
So in 4 years of classes I studied 2 years of Latin.
Yikes! What were you doing learning latin at all? I went to a snooty private school that still had it on its menu. I took it in 7th and 8th grade, then fucking refused to take it in High School despite being on the “smart kid” track intended for doctors and lawyers, taking French instead. In college, I had another shot at it because I needed it for my major, but my learning block for Latin was already well established by that point. I remember the final final exam was on Cicero and that he was big into long sentences with lots of grammar and that my attempts to imagine the meaning based on vocabulary failed at that point.
I might re-visit Latin, maybe if I ever get through Italian.
Starcraft is also pretty cool though. I used to shut my brain off for hours at a time and just Zerg rush every level in the game. I think there was only one level where you had to plan very carefully.
It’s ironic that the first two things you put in quotation marks are the first two things you spell wrong.
My thumbs are dumber than the rest of me. And I’m pretty dumb.