The New York Times editorial board is wrong. Principled progressive politics on the Bernie Sanders model is still the path forward.

There is a very simple political narrative, repeated ad nauseum, that goes something like this:

The average American does not like “extreme” politicians of the right or left. As the right becomes more extreme, Democrats should “occupy the center lane,” offering “moderate” solutions with broad appeal. If they become too “extreme,” they will alienate the average voter. They should therefore retreat from excessively “progressive” positions, proving themselves to be the “reasonable” alternative to the right. When Democrats lose, it is because they have “gone too far left,” and they must return to the sensible, careful, reasonable center in order to win.

(I use quotes because I think all of these terms need to be questioned rather than accepted at face value.)

This is, roughly, the thesis of the New York Times editorial board’s recent article “The Partisans Are Wrong: Moving to the Center Is the Way to Win,” which makes a forceful argument that Democrats must abandon progressivism for the sake of stopping Donald Trump. Not only is centrism pragmatic, the Times argues, but the need to stop the right is so urgent that Democrats have no choice but to embrace centrism. There is simply no alternative.

The case the Times editorial board makes for the political efficacy of centrism is unpersuasive, which I will get to. But before I do, let me first object to the terms of the debate. The question the Times answers is, effectively: are Democrats more likely to win elections on centrist or progressive platforms? The unstated premise of the piece is that Democrats should do whatever makes them most likely to win elections, and so if the answer to that question is “they are more likely to win on centrist platforms,” that means they should run on centrist platforms. Whenever we consider a political position, they want us to ask ourselves “how does it poll?”, and not “is it right?” or “is it true?”

This may sound so obviously correct that it does not require defending—what, you don’t want to win elections?—but that is not so. Imagine we are in the year 1960, and a hotly debated political question is whether it should be legal for companies to discriminate on the basis of race. Now imagine we pose the question: “Are Democrats more likely to win elections if they endorse full racial equality or if they hedge on it?” We might find out that Democrats are more likely to win elections if they decline to endorse full equality, because much of the American public is still outright racist.

But that would not lead us to the automatic conclusion that Democrats should not endorse racial equality. In fact, such a conclusion would be highly morally questionable, because it would suggest that vital moral principles are not worth defending if they make it even slightly harder to get elected. To use a more extreme hypothetical, what if the data showed us that candidates who engaged in explicitly racist messaging were more likely to win, because demagoguery works? Would the Times recommend going full racist in order to win? (To be honest, they might.)

The Times argues that the data show “moderate candidates fare a few percentage points better, on average, than otherwise similar candidates,” and because “a few” points can be the difference between winning and losing, this is a sound argument for consistently remaining centrist. But that is so only if you don’t care much about the stances you are abandoning by embracing centrism. This is easy for the Times, because they hold centrist values, and do not appear to feel any inner conflict about abandoning, say, immigrants and trans people for the sake of winning elections. But to those of us who think immigrant rights and trans rights are important in the same way as Black civil rights, showing that defending the marginalized might cost “a few” percentage points in swing districts does not provide proof that we should ditch the issue. Instead, accepting the empirical finding would lead us to a different conclusion: we simply have to work harder to win elections, because the path of justice is more challenging than the path of expedience.

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    15 hours ago

    Why would I bother? It’s bad messaging. I don’t believe any amount of sources would satisfy you

    But another kind poster provided a link, El-Sayed did so this election cycle, exactly as requested. Sanders has been making these presentations for decades as well, I’m sure you could find those easily if you want to

    And I don’t know why you put that qualifier of “this election cycle” on it… These midterms have been a blowout for progressives, doesn’t the fact that they won without making the details of a Medicare for all plan front and center prove my point?

    It’s simply bad messaging. It does not win new people over, it only informs the people who already support healthcare reform that it’s even cheaper and simpler than we imagined it would be

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      15 hours ago

      I’m sorry, I thought you were sincere with that bit I quoted! I’m highly in favor of M4A, and have many critiques on how we can more effectively talk about it.

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        5 hours ago

        Oh, I was entirely sincere. Had you been convinced, or at least conditionally convinced, I would’ve responded very differently

        Instead you asked for strangely specific proof… And then followed up to explicitly confirm you weren’t sincere

        My entire point was your “advice” on how to win people to the cause was bad messaging. Now you’ve revealed you don’t believe in the cause at all

        What kind of idiot takes strategic cues from people who want them to fail?

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            2 hours ago

            Wait… Yeah, apparently. My bad

            I don’t really read names, usually I just kinda remember their shape? It usually works, even if it makes no sense to anyone else

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              2 hours ago

              Yeah, so, I agree with you that the messaging on this topic is generally terrible, lmao.

              This past election cycle, I have seen absolutely zero politicians talking favorably about it. I’ve heard El Sayed and Bernie have said something, but I can’t find any infographics or anything written at a 3rd grade reading level that I could share with low-education/low-information voters. I try to look for it, and the DuckDuckGo search mostly gives me anti-M4A shit.

              So I was trying to ask if you had anything.