• tardigrade@scribe.disroot.org
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    But the tankies will tell you a kill switch isn’t a threat if you just buy Chinese technology. Chinese solar inverters, EVs, and other stuff are safe as remote control isn’t a problem and will never happen, tankies say.

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      Remote control of thousand of devices is way less probable than simply deciding to cut cloud access to EU businesses (Which could literally take only seconds).

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        Because Chinese is the only alternative?

        This is not true. And China is at least as much a threat as the US. This is pro-China propaganda slop.

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      Strawman and false dichotomy.

      Besides the fact no one listens to tankies in the first place, the big push here and in the wider sphere is regaining European sovereignity, so no one with a functioning brain cell is saying “substitute everything american for chinese” they’re saying “make everythihg critical euro controlled”

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      Where’s the evidence of at least one remote kill switch in solar inverters coming from China?

      Meanwhile the US can definitely cut off its IT and financial services within seconds, they have done this exact shit before to other “adversaries”, and it would be devastating for europe because of decades of dependence.

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        Whatever a remote US operator can do can also be done by a remote Chinese operator. Europe needs to (re)gain more of its sovereigtny, especially as China is widely known to use all kinds of coercive tactics whenever the regime in Beijing deems it appropriate.

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          But we’re talking about different classes of thing entirely.

          Relying on a US-based cloud provider means that they own your data, own your processes, pretty much own your organization. They can kick you off the platform with a click of a button and you’ll be left with nothing. The kill switch is implied by the mode of operation here.

          Relying on a China-provided solar inverter means that you own the inverter. Until such time as there is a clearly existing remote kill switch in an inverter coming from China, what you’re doing is just pro-fossil-fuel FUD.

          I won’t advocate for chinese-built EVs here. Fuck cars.

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            Relying on a China-provided solar inverter means that you own the inverter. Until such time as there is a clearly existing remote kill switch in an inverter coming from China, what you’re doing is just pro-fossil-fuel FUD.

            This is always the same discussion. The threat by China is very real, we can see the regimes coercive tactics literally everywhere. Turning that around and calling it “pro-fossil fuel FUD” discredits you completely. It’s Chinese propaganda speak at its best.