• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    This is how the US ended up fascist.

    The population continued to move to the left, the leftish party would only court the right. The further right party won.

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      20 days ago

      Evidently the whole population didn’t move left because he won his second term with a popular majority.

      I can understand parties triangulate because the center are where most of the reliable voters are. As you go further out both left and right it gets harder to maintain an electoral c coalition.

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        20 days ago

        Only if you make the assumption of a unimodal distribution of voters does that logic hold.

        And that assumption clearly hasn’t held. It’s a convenient but wrong assumption that voters follow a left to right distribution centered on a mean. But it’s not realistic and never has been.

        People are complex and their motivations are complex, which results in a peaky, multidimensional distribution along separate often orthogonal axis.

        If you try and target a “center of mass” in this scenario, you’ll often hit a void of policy positions no one particularly likes, empty space.

        It’s like if 50 percent of voter want to go to Brussels, and 50 percent want to go to Paris and you propose Rancourt as a compromise solution, you get no one’s vote because no one asked for that.

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          20 days ago

          But… doesn’t that multimodal distribution of topics/ethics still resolve to a unimodal Red/Blue vote in the end? In the end, it was an overall red-shift no?

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            No. When looking at a shadow of a bird flying, you can’t understand how the bird is really moving.

            In this case, the “centre-left” isn’t engaging on the issues that people face day to day. The right parties engage with them, but give fascist solutions. The fact that the problem is acknowledged attracts some people. Others it pushes to not vote. It looks like the population is moving right, but it actually that the electorate isn’t representable by the options available.

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              but it actually that the electorate isn’t representable by the options available.

              Bring on direct democracy. If our representives don’t represent us, we should get rid of the position.

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              The fact that the problem is acknowledged attracts some people.

              The “problems” the fascists claim to address are often fabricated by, or exacerbated by, the very same fascists. Small boats: irrelevant. Sharia-law-controlled no-go zones: fiction. Immigrants taking yer jerbs: a malicious lie. And the underlying reality is that all those “issues” are racist dogwhistles.

              It’s a fallacy to assert that gullible, low-information, brainwashed voters believe what they do because of legitimate grievances. They parrot what they’re told, and don’t have the critical thinking abilities needed to realise that they’re being manipulated.

              Fascists don’t get in by telling the truth on behalf of underserved groups. That’s their narrative, but like all fascist narratives, it’s a self-serving lie.

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                19 days ago

                Trump addressed the cost of living in his campaign. Some people voted for him because he said he’d do something about it.

                He’ll make the problem worse, but he won votes because he talked about it.

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      novara used to be great on resonance fm but they’ve really been scraping the barrel the last couple of years with conspiracy fantasists and clowns like piker, whose methods they now seem to have adopted because populism

      also this is a midterm government that it getting through the unpopular stuff and haven’t wheeled out their election winning policies

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    20 days ago

    It’s still amazing that the labour government is refusing to court the left. Labour. What a weird fucking world.