A youth-led movement in Germany has called for demonstrations in major cities of the country on October 31. The group has categorically distanced itself from the violence that took hold in France.
I like riots in Athens. Plenty of things get destroyed, but generally just something associated with the government. You could park your car in the middle of one and it’ll be fine, but the signage, bins, bus stop, etc. nearby, probably torn down and set on fire. There’s always the strong sent of fuel and tear gas, but everyone’s property stays nice and safe…mostly
instead of destroying bus stops they should demonstrate at the parliament. best chance to be heard by politicians if they suddendly miss their appointments
That is the difference between forceful, possibly violent protest and just plain old hooliganism and crime (plundering small local stores + selling loot).
Typically German. Admire the French Revolution, but denigrate the Guillotine. That’s how you get things like the German Revolution of 1848, where the revolutionaries thought it was a good idea to hold talks with nobility instead of beheading them. Nobility stayed in power, to nobody’s (except the revolutionaries’) surprise.
You must understand that the nobles did not put a beheading into their personal schedules. Nothing could be done you cannot expect someone to attend an unscheduled event
I agree with the sentiment you’re trying to express, but this is wrong. The French equivalent of the German Revolution of 1848 wasn’t the French Revolution; it was… the French Revolution of 1848, where despite the French being meaningfully more radical than the Germans (mostly because German liberals wanted what French liberals were revolting against) essentially the same dynamic happened. What happened in 1848 basically everywhere was that the liberals and socialists won the fight against the conservatives but then the liberals (the people who held talks with the nobility in Germany) wanted to take the ball and run with it while leaving the socialists holding the bag. The socialists were mighty miffed about this and tried to launch a second revolution, and the liberals won that fight but without their radical flank (which they had irreparably alienated by, you know, shooting them dead) were vulnerable to counterrevolution by the conservatives. This same story happened in France BTW, which is how the Second French Republic became the Second French Empire, so it’s unfair to specifically blame the Germans here. Less seriously, blaming mid-19th century Germany for not producing good revolutionaries is definitely a strat gestures at Karl Marx.
Edit: The role of the guillotine (and general revolutionary terror) in the French Revolution is also highly exaggerated. The revolutionaries had already defeated the conservative aristocracy by 1793 (they’d be restored to power only after the defeat of Napoleon), and if anything the rampant executions weakened the Revolution and lead to its backtracking in the Thermidorian Reaction. If you want to learn more about either of these revolutions I highly Mike Duncan’s Revolutions Podcast, which has a multiple dozen episode series for each.
I mean, it’s hard to say that the violence is an important or effective part of the French protests. Really the important part of a protest like this is disruption, and while this can be violent it doesn’t have to be. There’s nothing inherently violent about a general strike, for example. It’s fine as long as the protestors have an concrete and realistic idea of what they’re trying to do and how it’s meant lead to what they want.
I would, but a) I have no clue where to even find one and b) what would I do with that e-waste?
PS: Looked it up and living right in the center of the Rhein-Ruhr area there doesnt seem to be one here or in neighbouring cities. Guess I can go to Düsseldorf or Köln…
pick one.
I like riots in Athens. Plenty of things get destroyed, but generally just something associated with the government. You could park your car in the middle of one and it’ll be fine, but the signage, bins, bus stop, etc. nearby, probably torn down and set on fire. There’s always the strong sent of fuel and tear gas, but everyone’s property stays nice and safe…mostly
instead of destroying bus stops they should demonstrate at the parliament. best chance to be heard by politicians if they suddendly miss their appointments
That’s the standard.
Water, food, gas mask, head to “the square” and be prepared to fight in for a couple of kilometres.
Been like that for 2,500 years.
The bus stops are destroyed along with other things along the way, to be used as barracades. Like this…
That is the difference between forceful, possibly violent protest and just plain old hooliganism and crime (plundering small local stores + selling loot).
Typically German. Admire the French Revolution, but denigrate the Guillotine. That’s how you get things like the German Revolution of 1848, where the revolutionaries thought it was a good idea to hold talks with nobility instead of beheading them. Nobility stayed in power, to nobody’s (except the revolutionaries’) surprise.
You must understand that the nobles did not put a beheading into their personal schedules. Nothing could be done you cannot expect someone to attend an unscheduled event
I agree with the sentiment you’re trying to express, but this is wrong. The French equivalent of the German Revolution of 1848 wasn’t the French Revolution; it was… the French Revolution of 1848, where despite the French being meaningfully more radical than the Germans (mostly because German liberals wanted what French liberals were revolting against) essentially the same dynamic happened. What happened in 1848 basically everywhere was that the liberals and socialists won the fight against the conservatives but then the liberals (the people who held talks with the nobility in Germany) wanted to take the ball and run with it while leaving the socialists holding the bag. The socialists were mighty miffed about this and tried to launch a second revolution, and the liberals won that fight but without their radical flank (which they had irreparably alienated by, you know, shooting them dead) were vulnerable to counterrevolution by the conservatives. This same story happened in France BTW, which is how the Second French Republic became the Second French Empire, so it’s unfair to specifically blame the Germans here. Less seriously, blaming mid-19th century Germany for not producing good revolutionaries is definitely a strat gestures at Karl Marx.
Edit: The role of the guillotine (and general revolutionary terror) in the French Revolution is also highly exaggerated. The revolutionaries had already defeated the conservative aristocracy by 1793 (they’d be restored to power only after the defeat of Napoleon), and if anything the rampant executions weakened the Revolution and lead to its backtracking in the Thermidorian Reaction. If you want to learn more about either of these revolutions I highly Mike Duncan’s Revolutions Podcast, which has a multiple dozen episode series for each.
Seems to be a recurring theme in German revolutions.
It is a treasured tradition, unfortunately.
I mean, it’s hard to say that the violence is an important or effective part of the French protests. Really the important part of a protest like this is disruption, and while this can be violent it doesn’t have to be. There’s nothing inherently violent about a general strike, for example. It’s fine as long as the protestors have an concrete and realistic idea of what they’re trying to do and how it’s meant lead to what they want.
Nonviolent but let’s please loot some Apple Stores still! /s
I would, but a) I have no clue where to even find one and b) what would I do with that e-waste?
PS: Looked it up and living right in the center of the Rhein-Ruhr area there doesnt seem to be one here or in neighbouring cities. Guess I can go to Düsseldorf or Köln…