worked on it since 1998
Am I a joke to you?
YES
Jesus Christ YES
Been using GIMP since it got too hard to find an updated cracked warez zip file from Limewire.
I’ve been using GIMP for 15 years and it’s a great tool for image editing. It doesn’t have the cool AI functions that Photoshop had even before generative AI became a thing, but for most common and advanced image editing needs, it’s a perfectly suitable tool.
GIMP is good for most people. The clone is not guaranteed to be maintained.
almost made GIMP a recursive name. ‘GIMP is for Most People’
Maintainance and/or support never can be guaranteed in vibe coded crap. Who would patch or update it? The AI?
vibe - i wish this worked
Gimp 3 came out this past year and I feel made massive improvements that I use often for my little simple projects but I think everyone still complaining about Gimp 2 because they tried it many years ago and said it sucks and went back to paying adobe.
most comlpains I met is about the name, not program itself.
Yeah its really embarassing to say out loud to people with the american (?) context/alternate meaning of “Slur for wheelchair users”
I’ve used GIMP many times. Every time I do, I fight with it for hours, try looking up tutorials for how to do things only to find out that everything is different in the tutorial compared to what is happening in my version of the program, and then I rage quit and use something else.
Sorry but I do not find GIMP usable. Not that I have any interest in the ai clone either. I’ve heard good things about Krita, so next time I need to edit something I’ll be spending some hours learning how to use that.
This.
GIMP may have good functionality (in GIMP 3.2), but it’s a software designed by engineers. Most workflows are more complicated than they would need to be. Sadly, there currently isn’t a real alternative for image manipulation out there currently, so we need to stick with what we have.
Well, there is also Krita and several other good OpenSource Image/painting editors. In between I use also often MiniPaint direct in the Browser, which is pretty complete with all the basics, tools and filters
Yep. I hate Adobe, but Photoshop and Lightroom really are excellent products.
I love FOSS suites. I generally use Inkscape over Illustrator when I can, even though I have a full Creative Cloud license. I use QGIS frequently over ArcGIS even though I have ESRI. I use stone tablets and my own blood over Word because fuck Word.
But GIMP just doesn’t do it.
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I started with GIMP, and I’ve stuck with it and enjoyed it for all my use cases for over a decade.
I tried Photoshop a few times and hated it every time.
I love GIMP
Oh no you dont understand, the corpo dick suckers say the UX is terrible and the name unmarkatable, its not just their personal preferred way of handling things, aka the way Photoshop handles things.
@Wataba@sh.itjust.works if you are so offended by being called out as a corpo dick sucker, maybe you should suck less corpo dick?
I use GIMP because of no other viable alternatives but let’s be honest : it’s counterintuitive and not that good.
The name is a huge self-own. I almost convinced a church to go fully FOSS awhile back, but the church people couldn’t handle the photoshop replacement being called gimp. So then they would’ve still needed Photoshop, so the whole Linux thing was kind of a non starter
Why is the church using Photoshop and why did they not just use a different tool than GIMP? They did not switch because of GIMP? Why did they not use Krita or something?
You shoulda seen the look on the client’s face when I told him the name of the software I used to enlarge and tile his image for a print project was “The Rasterbater.”
*In English speaking countries.
I knew about GIMP like 6 years before I learned that gimp was an actual English word.
I will be forever thankful for GIMP bringing us GTK and GNOME.
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“Yes.”
I think the trouble with art software is that Photoshop is the biggest over-complicated unwieldy piece of shit ever made, and everybody has to ape it because “it’s what artists know”.
Bring back Deluxe Paint.
If GIMP would just eat the complaints of their small, dedicated users, and make the UI more like Photoshop, they’d grow their userbase much faster.
Maybe, that’s why they don’t do it?
That’s what Gimpshop was.
Yep. I haven’t used it in a while but I remember it being so far off the Photoshop layout and key binds I couldn’t use it.
They got the usability entirely wrong. I just can’t take GIMP seriously as photo editing software.
So meta: the original meme was a blurry photo of a tv broadcast, now it’s an ai upscale in the fuck_ai community
it doesn’t seem’s a screencap from that youtuber that paid like $1000 to purchase the full dvd set from the african broacaster, then watched hundreds of episodes to find it => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2wiN7aW4U
Do any of them support HDR colorspaces?
That’s my big sore point. I need something more like Darkroom/Darktable than a full blown editor, but basically nothing supports HDR well.
Darktable can technically output HDR files from RAW, but can’t render it! I have no idea what it’ll look like when editing. Last I tried, GIMP doesn’t support it at all, and almost nothing on Earth will output a gainmapped file. But Adobe software is one of the few that, unfortunately, gets most of it right…
is this some kind of AI upscale of the meme? His skin has a fabric-like texture, uncanny 👀
Hell hath no fury like a photographer told to use UX that isn’t literally an 1:1 exact clone of Photoshop UX.
What babies.
Ironically, this attitude is a major blocker for the GIMP team when it comes to bigger UI/UX changes – there’s a vocal contingent who will react negatively to any change that requires a little adjustment to workflow or muscle memory, or even if things just look different.
Firefox’s incredibly light-touch visual changes recently are a great example of this; it’s not “this is demonstrably worse,” it’s “change makes me uncomfortable.”
I do totally appreciate that changes can be genuinely problematic for a subset of users, especially the elderly, but the vitriol that gets spewed when a project overhauls a UI embarrasses me as a user.
Side note: the GIMP UI is generally pretty good these days. There’s room for improvement, and it has a learning curve (as do all complex applications, to some degree) but it’s shed a lot of its least intuitive aspects.
Firefox’s incredibly light-touch visual changes recently are a great example of this; it’s not “this is demonstrably worse,” it’s “change makes me uncomfortable.”
On mobile the changes are more obnoxious. Tabs now take up a lot of screen real estate, despite chromium being an example of being functional and efficient at that for years.
Also, changing the look just to change the look is dumb. UI/UX changes should have a benefit to them. And what people frustratingly seem unable to understand is that newer doesn’t always mean better.
Some people get used to how their daily tools work and look, so when the UI suddenly changes, our efficiency and comfort decreases until we tweak it to our liking and/or get used to it. The closest analogue I can think of, imagine that every few years you wake up to the furniture having been rearranged in your house.
I didn’t see the point of the Firefox redesign either, and had to spend some time in userchrome.css to make it not actively repulsive :/ A few weeks later now I reached the state of “eh ok”, but I still don’t think it’s an improvement.
The closest analogue I can think of, imagine that every few years you wake up to the furniture having been rearranged in your house.
maybe every few years you get a new car? it does all the same things, maybe even better things with new bells and whistles, but fuck all y’all who decided to get rid of my buttons [oldmanyellsatclouds.jif]
there’s a vocal contingent who will react negatively to any change that requires a little adjustment to workflow or muscle memory, or even if things just look different.
okay but some of google’s icon changes have been really bad
will react negatively to any change that requires a little adjustment to workflow or muscle memory, or even if things just look different.
I wonder if it’s possible to build seperate UI that sits on top of the underlying backend and can be switched easily. So that ppl from PS can start quick.
I think a lot of people underestimate the maintenance burden of options like this. It’s another trope you see often with UI changes – “just let me switch it back.”
The problem is that now, even if your UI is super nicely decoupled from your engine, everything you change under the hood is likely to need at least regression testing in two places rather than one – that workload has doubled.
As it happens, though, with your specific example, there’s someone actively maintaining a GIMP
forkmod called PhotoGIMP to achieve this, but I notice despite recent(ish) commits, they’re still a minor version and a year behind.The whole conversation reminds me of this XKCD
you just explained fairly well to me why windows decided to lock the taskbar on the bottom for a while. or at least a reason they might.
Like with Linux distros and which DE you run?
there have been several, including one that tried to look like photoshop but then ended up being malware.
You get the same with Apple fans when Apple introduces something new. They all get really angry about it.
It’s not that.
Photographers went from Photoshop to lightroom quite quickly.
And other proprietary tools as well.
On the open source front many graphics people went to Inkscape instead of gimp.
Gimp methodology and UX is not landing with the majority of people and it’s not offering them enough workflow improvements to justify the learning curve.
wait until you see Lightroom vs Darktable comments :)
Amusingly, I am pretty happy with darktable. The UX is a bit kludgy, but the workflow makes a lot of sense to me. If you’ve used another mainstream RAW processor, like Lightroom, Capture One, or DxO PhotoLab, you’ll quickly be ripping through RAW files once you figure out where the handful of things you’ll frequently use are. Everything I need is supported.
I’ve made a few runs at GIMP over the years, but I’ve given up each time. It’s UI is also kludgy, but the workflows do not make sense to me. They will feel very foreign to someone who cut their teeth in Photoshop like tools. There are a ton of editors that have basically the same workflow as Photoshop. Paint.net is a good example. It’s nowhere near as full featured as Photoshop, but it’s very easy to pick up and run with if you’re familiar with Photoshop.
For decades, the only thing they needed was clean, easy Action and Macro support.
Most photographers use half a dozen pretty simple actions that they are absolutely incapable of recreating in gimp. Most photogs are technically competant in very VERY narrow fields. Most of them use paint away the ______ which just masks, sets up a specific color channel and lets you math the removal of that color with brushes.
Now, you need to add in context-aware fill, outpainting and sky replacement.
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I don’t know, I just cannot get used to it and I don’t like the shortcut keys.
Yeah its called hyperbole, you should try it sometime.
Seriously though, as someone who’s main creative outlet is game dev (among other forms of programming), if I can learn a new engine, including new languages and core concepts required to work with the new tools, they can learn to locate some icons and context menus that moved.
Like Jesus, what do said people do when their OS upgrades versions?
You’re just dismissing the claims that the UI is bad and bolstering your ability to adapt. Why can’t everyone be just like you? That’s not how the world works.
what do said people do when their OS upgrades versions?
If your question were real, you’d probably know that everyone complains about UI changes with updates. Usually it’s a temporary annoyance forgotten a week later. Other times, such as windows 11, they switch OSes. People with UI preferences aren’t broken and they don’t owe you anything. Stubbornly rejecting feedback might get you upvotes itt, but it won’t get you very far elsewhere.
I know everyone complains about UI. I’m telling y’all to get the fuck over it.
My point isn’t you have to adapt to technology as well as someone who lives and breathes it, my point is in comparison, moving around some icons and context menus isn’t that fucking big a change. Especially considering its said people who are making the tools for you.
Its a small fucking ask. Hell, If massive tech companies hadn’t spent the last 15 years weaponizing the lie that computers = convinience, mixed with the computer-illiteracy of the average smart phone user, to normalize corporate malware, it probably wouldn’t be so bad.
Before that, it was mostly just the older people and less saavy users who complained UI changes, and in those days GIMPs featureset was still a joke compared to PS.
I mean I can kinda get it when companies develop desktop software that looks like an iPad app for hand-holding reasons (see the bit above about weaponizing computer illiteracy), but fuck me, you should be able to re-learn professional software that your job/hobby depends on.
In your mind, this doesn’t strengthen the case that you’re dismissive? UI design is literally supposed to conform to the user and here you are ridiculing that extremely basic design idea and telling people intuition isn’t a thing, be a fucking robot because it’s not hard.
If you were correct I could reverse your mouse on both axes and you would just adapt. (You obviously fucking wouldn’t and neither would 99.99999% of humans)
Like Jesus, what do said people do when their OS upgrades versions?
Man oh man, let me tell you: some people just never upgrade
