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Around 100 million euros is earmarked for the acquisitions.

Preparations for the purchase began after Finland’s withdrawal from the Ottawa Convention took effect in January, Colonel Riku Mikkonen of the Army Command told Finnish news agency STT. He said there are around half a dozen companies in the country able to make mines.

Finland reintroduced landmines due to the worsening security environment. Ahead of the decision, Prime Minister Petteri Orpo called Russia a long-term threat to Finnish and European security.

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    An idea I have had for land mines are making them with an expiery date.

    I don’t mean with electronics, I mean that there should be a slow chemicam process breaking down the explosives material over time.

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          Depends on the kind of war you want to use them for. Ideally the front isn’t stalled and you use mines to temporarily block some area/routes which you’ll be using for your own offensives in a couple of weeks.

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              Not worth the risk of eventual harm to citizens.

              And sane government should be taking that into account.

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              … it would be better if the mines were stable over the long term and could keep the restricted area secure for as long as possible. There are now even “self-healing minefields” in which adjacent mines can move into gaps left by cleared mines. From a humanitarian perspective, however, such long-term, non-self-neutralizing minefields are problematic, since the maps detailing where, when, and how many mines were laid are often lost in the chaos of war and continue to pose a danger to the civilian population for decades after the conflict ends.

              I think two factors may be at play here, which is why Ukraine received self-neutralizing mines:

              1. According to the Ottawa Convention, mines are generally no longer supposed to be manufactured; perhaps France wanted to at least reach a compromise by developing and producing self-neutralizing mines itself.
              2. Ukraine does not want to mine its own territory in the long term, especially since it hopes to be able to recapture certain areas.
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                I just don’t think it would be better. From a tactical perspective it is comforting to be able to write off that area as protected from a (in this case) tank advance, but strategically I don’t agree there ever is a good argument for mines to remain indefinitely. Ever.

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                  From a tactical perspective it is comforting to be able to write off that area as protected from a (in this case) tank advance

                  It’s not even the case that you can simply mark a mined area as “secured.” After all, defensive measures must always be kept under your own surveillance or within your own area of control so that the enemy cannot clear them. A minefield, a tank barrier, or a barbed-wire entanglement without protection against clearance won’t hold up any army for long.

                  I think we’re on the same page.

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      Not a new idea. There has been work done on mines that deactivate themselves since the early '90s:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_mine

      I could swear there are mines like this already in use (IIRC it was mines delivered via mine-laying vehicles), but I can’t find any examples right now. Still, as mentioned in the above article, no system - mechanical, chemical, electronic - will ever be 100% reliable, so at best, it’ll only reduce the long-term risk of mines to civilians, not eliminate it entirely.

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        There definitely is, but there is no doubt a challenging engineering problem to make something that will release as high energy as possible over short time with intent to destroy also disarm and dissapate harmless energy over long time with intent to preserve ;)

        A very noble effort to take on, though.

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          I’m an absolute layperson in chemistry, but I’m reminded of something from Ryan McBeth’s earlier content. It was around the start of the war in Ukraine, and someone had asked him about self-destruct explosives on personnel or personnel carriers. His answer was dismissive on the grounds that manufacturing, handling, and more importantly combat application of explosives always carries a combination of unreliability, both to explode and not to explode. Basically, the failsafes needed to safely and reliably implement self-destruction on a large scale will eventually result in troops getting blown up by their own equipment.

          My take from this, is that if you would manufacture degrading mines in huge numbers, the degradation mechanism might very well make some mines a random time bomb, simply because of the inherent properties of explosives. I can’t argue for or against the plausibility of chemically engineering a safe and reliable temporary mine, but I would only take expert opinions into consideration.

          The internet has a tendency to enable laypeople to act as if they’re entitled to be given the same consideration as an expert in any given field. This is why I think taking a big step back from this question is the right thing to do for me and for those who I think are no more qualified to make statements on this than I am. But it’s good to be hopeful.