• HorreC@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    fucked part that the DNC has shown in the past, it doesnt matter who wins the primary, its who they want. Ask Mr. Sanders. I mean they had the Hillary stuff already printed out before the convention, I dont mean like they do for the superbowl I mean they had all the mailers and shit already rolling, they didnt care who won and said as much.

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      2 days ago

      Buddy…

      What you’re doing is like saying in 2029:

      AOC is responsible for everything every prior president has done, she’s responsible for all of it.

      The DNC is a dictatorship ran by a single chair accountable to no one.

      Biden picked Jamie Harrison in 2021, and he fucked up so badly the ~420 voting members of the DNC pivoted in 2025 to Minnesota’s state chair who had a decade long track record of fair primaries resulting in progressives gains.

      He hasnt endorsed anyone in a primary because the DNC shouldn’t be endorsing anyone in a primary. But endorsed Mamdani and El-Sayed immediately after the won their primaries.

      He’s dump the billions neoliberals stole from state parties, which is why we keep gaining seats everywhere and progressives keep winning primaries

      There is no logical reason to keep blaming the DNC for anything prior to February 2025.

      But people keep fuckig doing it and never explaining why.

      So please:

      1. Why don’t you even know the basics of how our political party works when it’s this fucking important?

      2. Why won’t you at least fucking ask a question so you can learn? Why just make uninformed claims over and over and over again?

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        2 days ago

        How are they uninformed, they happened, YES it changed, but it hasent been put to a presidential test yet, so yeah you can say it wont, but there are NO RULES setforth to prevent that shit happening again, you know maybe like hey we will only putforward those the people vote for.

        You can be mad, but yeah actions are great, but NOTHING PREVENTS IT, so historically this is the way they have acted. Its almost like they learned nothing from row v wade, they had how much time to make it law, and just were nah nothing will change. Well actions here would show hey we learned and will now not only stand on judgements but also put the rules forth to hold us to those metrics, not the whims of people. So stay mad, but nothing changed.

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          2 days ago

          The three big failings of decades of shitty DNC:

          1. Stealing money from state parties.

          2. Influencing primaries

          3. Refusing to support progressives in generals.

          So far Martin has:

          A. Dumped all the stolen money back to state parties.

          B. Hasn’t influenced a single primary or endorsed anyone in one.

          C. Supported every candidate in the general, but goes out of his way to say a presidential candidate like Mamdani, both in policy and charisma is our best shot in 2028.

          If you absolutely have to wait to see how the generals go, cool.

          But if that’s not enough for you to stop shitting in the current DNC in the meanwhile…

          What was your problem with the last ones, and what do you think the DNC should do differently?

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            Are you just going to ignore my main point, they can change the rule, they learned that they cant just stand on well we will take them at their word. They have the power to make it REQUIRED to act with the peoples votes, and make the rules that need to be changed forced to be done in the open. My problem is they are just faces, none of them hold up what they say. Its all show and only go for corporate money. Make rules that require them to act on behalf of the people they represent, and hell I would love if they had to record all lobbyist meetings and also force accountability to all, even more so themselves. Structure flows downhill, if the people see they are accountable they will be much more in line to accept those kinda things in their lives.

            Why are they all trading stocks? stop that shit. Open investigations, let us see what they find. Make rules to get rid of PACs instead of supporting that money. Quit shitting on candidates that are not centrist or soft right. (To be honest the whole party system sucks, but two isnt the way. But the money that shouldnt be there wont advertize those that lean left at all, and even then those people are left out in the cold) But the DNC isnt about being left its about being the ‘other’ party for so long they are going to have a hard time getting of that corporate money train.

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              They have the power to make it REQUIRED to act with the peoples votes, and make the rules that need to be changed forced to be done in the open.

              They literally don’t…

              Were talking about the DNC…

              They run the presidential primary, and because prior corrupt DNCs accumulated a giant war chest they got the keys and gave it back to state parties…

              (Edit: threatening to withhold that money is how prior corrupt DNCs controlled party members. You seem to think we should be corrupt but in the opposite direction. That is a stupid and uninformed plan. And literally can’t happen because the party already gave that money to the state parties with no strings. They can’t be corrupt and wield it as a club, because they got rid of the fucking club)

              Why are they all trading stocks?

              What?!

              Literally what the fuck are you talking about?

              Do you think “the DNC” is a shadow government made up of sitting congress members?

              That’s not what it is, but it’s the only way your rambling make sense.

              You just legitimately don’t know anything about how this works, and you refuse to ask questions

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                It’s exhausting trying to speak from knowledge to people who think their fucking guess at how things work is somehow equivalent to your lifetime of direct experience. I regularly get moronsplained at by these people and never, literally never, do they have the slightest idea of what they’re talking about.

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                  6 hours ago

                  The non-American accounts make sense at least, most Americans can’t even understand our system…

                  But politically “active” Americans who spend lots of time commenting about it, but have never tried to learn about it anywhere besides social media are just the fucking worst.

                  Like I get it, for 30 years “DNC bad” was good enough.

                  But shit finally fucking changed, and there’s a never ending stream of very ignorant and very loud accounts, with a noticable uptick as soon as the primaries were over and the general is rapidly approaching.

                  And I stead of paying the slightest bit of attention, they only want to tell people that the DNC is trash and somehow the best way to stop Republicans is not vote for the progressive Dems running against them in the general.

                  None of it makes logical sense, but they just keep repeating the same shit the oligarch owned media does.

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        There is no logical reason to keep blaming the DNC for anything prior to February 2025.

        Do you mean after February 2025?

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          No…

          The DNC (right now, as it exists since February 2025) would be responsible for everything under it’s watch.

          It would not be responsible for things that happened before the current chair assumed that position.