• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    what policy position are you giving to the Zionists and anti-Zionists, people whose sole descriptors are antithetical

    Presumably these people have something else they care about in their life. Like preserving basic human rights and not getting put in a concentration camp.

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        3 days ago

        There are a lot of “zionists” who are brain washed and think that Israel is just defending itself (obviously I realize there is no such thing as defensive genocide). Nonetheless these people do believe in upholding the Constitution and democracy. They will fight the fascists and maybe in the process learn the error of their ways. We are already seeing this as support for Israel among Democrats continues to fall.

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          2 days ago

          Their were a lot of Nazis who were brainwashed and thought Germany was just defending itself. Their are a lot of MAGA who are just brainwashed and think Trump is saving democracy.

          They will fight the fascists and maybe in the process learn the error of their ways.

          They’re currently fighting for fascists

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      5 days ago

      I guess I’m the first person to tell you what Zionism is? Because their whole thing is ethnic cleansing and concentration camps.

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      Okay so you can’t even see that Zionists are openly supporting and aiding in genocide. Because that sure as shit is not basic human rights, and the entire population is in a concentration camp at this point.

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          3 days ago

          So much for your “respect for basic human rights”

          Pure selfishness disguised as a political position.

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            3 days ago

            I’m not willing to give up human rights in the US because another country is committing genocide. Yes, we are giving some of the support that helps Israel to do it, but don’t think for a second that they wouldn’t be doing it even without US support. Two countries without human rights is not better than one country without human rights. Call it selfish all you want but idealism that does not adapt to reality helps no one.

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              2 days ago

              Like I said, pure selfishness disguised a political ideology: you would have supported the holocaust so long as you benifited

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          4 days ago

          As I said in the other comment, what you think of as a difference between fascism and not fascism is actually the DISTANCE between your position in the core of fascism and the boundary/periphery/frontier of fascism.

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          5 days ago

          No, actually, Israel’s fate is directly tied to the US’s fate, and the US’s to Israel, because Israel is the 51st state.

          Why do you think all the fascists love Israel and crack down on anyone who opposed its genocide?

          It’s all one empire.

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          If you don’t view genocide outside your borders as relevant you don’t deserve the dignity of human rights within your own.

          The US doesn’t get to force fascism and imperialism on the rest of the world only for its citizens to live in peace.

          Whatever happens, happens.