There’s a lot of daylight between “the exact thing a word means” and “the messy group of people who can currently be vaguely be defined that way”. Most ‘capitalists’ are just working class people who’ve been tricked or don’t do a lot of thinking. It’s wrong to conflate them with the rigorous meaning of a word that predates any living person.
A couple things. The Americans who call themselves liberals didn’t vote for this, and the American liberals who did vote for it were aided and abetted by the most radicalised and financially empowered conservative oligarchs in literal human history. So if your only goal is to put as many people as possible into a toilet and flush it, great job. If not, you might have lost your way.
Says the person who has to project their feelings onto others because they couldn’t defend their position. Or even explain it.
And while I’m very happy for you that you take a great deal of meaning in those vague and subjective references in your previous comment, if you can’t even define them, how can you expect anyone else to take any meaning from it?
Ah yes because a term has a definition that removes all controversy forever more.
People are saying they don’t know how a term is being used, which is fair, as it has many definitions (certainly true wiki article or not). Your response is to say there is only one definition and then pretend anyone who disputes that is exactly the definition but is lying about it to save face. What a beautiful leftist thought process. So accepting and caring for your fellow human. I wish I could be a real leftist like you.
Edit: blocking you, I know how this goes. You will be condescending, judgy, and insulting without knowing the first thing other than I’m against this excuse for discourse.
except that’s not what happened. “Liberals are capitalism.” is not only an absurd statement, it’s a belief, not a definition of liberalism, nor was anything that followed-- and I called it out as such. And, instead of reacting like an adult to criticism, you attack me for having the temerity to dare ask.
oh, the hypocrisy, lol
edit: and since my whole point here was that this sort of childish in-fighting is aa waste of time, I’m just going to block you and move on with my day.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property, and equality before the law.[1][2] Different liberals espouse various and sometimes conflicting views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support liberal democracy, private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.[3] Liberalism is frequently cited as a major ideology of modern history.[4][5]: 11
Go look at those sources. Those aren’t socialist values are they?
That specific enough? Private/corporation private ownership isnt really a leftists thing. Its a liberal thing. Its a capatlism thing.
If by what i want it to mean you mean what it has literally always meant for 300 years yeah sure.
There’s a lot of daylight between “the exact thing a word means” and “the messy group of people who can currently be vaguely be defined that way”. Most ‘capitalists’ are just working class people who’ve been tricked or don’t do a lot of thinking. It’s wrong to conflate them with the rigorous meaning of a word that predates any living person.
Tricked or not its what they support and what they vote for.
A couple things. The Americans who call themselves liberals didn’t vote for this, and the American liberals who did vote for it were aided and abetted by the most radicalised and financially empowered conservative oligarchs in literal human history. So if your only goal is to put as many people as possible into a toilet and flush it, great job. If not, you might have lost your way.
Yet, you still can’t seem to define it in any meaningful way. Just vague references to other subjective vagaries.
Case in point
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Pretty sure my definition was extremely meaningful. Which is why you have gotten so huffy about it.
Says the person who has to project their feelings onto others because they couldn’t defend their position. Or even explain it.
And while I’m very happy for you that you take a great deal of meaning in those vague and subjective references in your previous comment, if you can’t even define them, how can you expect anyone else to take any meaning from it?
I understood it perfectly well. What part were you confused by?
where did I say I was confused?
seems you misunderstood after all…
The part where you skipped over a clearly defined term and calling it vauge to wave it off as an insult.
Ah yes because a term has a definition that removes all controversy forever more.
People are saying they don’t know how a term is being used, which is fair, as it has many definitions (certainly true wiki article or not). Your response is to say there is only one definition and then pretend anyone who disputes that is exactly the definition but is lying about it to save face. What a beautiful leftist thought process. So accepting and caring for your fellow human. I wish I could be a real leftist like you.
Edit: blocking you, I know how this goes. You will be condescending, judgy, and insulting without knowing the first thing other than I’m against this excuse for discourse.
For those wondering, I provided a definition a few posts down.
except that’s not what happened. “Liberals are capitalism.” is not only an absurd statement, it’s a belief, not a definition of liberalism, nor was anything that followed-- and I called it out as such. And, instead of reacting like an adult to criticism, you attack me for having the temerity to dare ask.
oh, the hypocrisy, lol
edit: and since my whole point here was that this sort of childish in-fighting is aa waste of time, I’m just going to block you and move on with my day.
bye!
Okay, let’s look at wiki shall we?
I’m new to this thread so let’s add some sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
Go look at those sources. Those aren’t socialist values are they?
That specific enough? Private/corporation private ownership isnt really a leftists thing. Its a liberal thing. Its a capatlism thing.
Its not infighting. We aren’t in with each other. Capitalists and anticapitalist aren’t on the same side. Hope that helps.