The strong showing of Georgescu, who has no party of his own, and campaigned largely on the social media platform TikTok, came as the biggest surprise of the election.
this is just a fucking disaster. turns out that democracy is not so great system when majority of the people is bunch of idiots. the good old world with media elite being the gatekeeper to public discourse looks pretty nice in retrospect.
My (conspiracy?) theory I’ve had for the last few years is that the world is at large shaped by a misalignment of various ML algorithms, that have been given a goal “Maximize the time user spends scrolling at our platform” several years ago, and it has turned out that if you turn someone into a conspiracy nutjob/radicalize them or in general turn him into a piece of shit, it rapidly increases his engagement with the platform. It makes sense to me, because it probably ostracizes you from the people around you, and your nutjob social bubble that validates your new opinions is only on the platform, making you spend a lot more time there. Turns out, a lot of far-right and facist ideologies are pretty comforting, you have someone to blame and you can just be a dick to people you don’t like, which is a lot easier than being nice to others, dealing with stuff you are not comfortable with, and accepting that you might be a problem. This shit sells, and ML algorithms have probably figured out that it’s the thing that sells the most.
It was my reason why I started avoiding any kind of content delivered by personalized algorithm. I kind of suspected this even before the LLM craze, but seeing how extremely good can a ML algorithm get at one task (turn text into image, for instance) if given enough data, it is horrifying to think what would an algorithm trained on literally billions of users giving their whole life, conservations and behavior as training data be able to accomplish, given the task “here is everything about the user, what do I show to him to keep him on my platform?”.
I wager the answer is “tell him that it’s OK to be a facist and hate everything that scares you” for quite a lot of people.
That shit is super scary, because even if you know this is happening, the ML algo has hundreds of thousands of people like you and already had several years of feedback loop to figure out what will work on you (which, probably isn’t the same thing as for others, but something probably exists). And the only way how to avoid it is to never use any kind of personalized content - most importantly, personalized search.
And then you also have a lot of nation state threat actors who are actively using this to push an agenda. The world is fucked.
It makes sense to me, because it probably ostracizes you from the people around you, and your nutjob social bubble that validates your new opinions is only on the platform, making you spend a lot more time there.
Seems quite accurate to me. A former friend who drifted into one of these right wing bubbles posted a poll from Germany where we‘re both based, that showed that around 80% of Germans would have voted for Harris and he claimed he doesn’t know a single one of them and that the poll is fake.
Of course the poll was relatively accurate and he is simply only exposed to these 10% of the population bubble of Trump fans but does not realize this.
You said something that hits really close to home about one of my most important relationships — a relationship that is starting to experience value drift as they get sucked deep into social media.
I’ve been feeling like a conversation needs to happen, but haven’t had the ability to characterize my thoughts as well as I’d like. Your comment helped me a lot to get closer to what I’d like to express about it to them.
person who creates false dichotomy fascism vs. “left wing bullshit party” and explains that the desperate people have indeed no other choice than to turn to fascism. that would be you.
also ironic because george carlin is exactly the type of status quo defeatist that let this happen.
of course. who else would be responsible than the stand-up comic 😂
if you dont analyze the root cayse of people turning to fascism, you will be forever voting blue as the climate disaster gets worse and worse, and the fascists are in power anyway. did i say george carlin was responsible for anything?
for you its sadly gonna be a meltdown in 4 years when you cant vote for your favorite blue fascist anymore. try starting with some reading comprehension and you might figure it out, then some history cause its repeating and you seem to be clueless.
this is just a fucking disaster. turns out that democracy is not so great system when majority of the people is bunch of idiots. the good old world with media elite being the gatekeeper to public discourse looks pretty nice in retrospect.
My (conspiracy?) theory I’ve had for the last few years is that the world is at large shaped by a misalignment of various ML algorithms, that have been given a goal “Maximize the time user spends scrolling at our platform” several years ago, and it has turned out that if you turn someone into a conspiracy nutjob/radicalize them or in general turn him into a piece of shit, it rapidly increases his engagement with the platform. It makes sense to me, because it probably ostracizes you from the people around you, and your nutjob social bubble that validates your new opinions is only on the platform, making you spend a lot more time there. Turns out, a lot of far-right and facist ideologies are pretty comforting, you have someone to blame and you can just be a dick to people you don’t like, which is a lot easier than being nice to others, dealing with stuff you are not comfortable with, and accepting that you might be a problem. This shit sells, and ML algorithms have probably figured out that it’s the thing that sells the most.
It was my reason why I started avoiding any kind of content delivered by personalized algorithm. I kind of suspected this even before the LLM craze, but seeing how extremely good can a ML algorithm get at one task (turn text into image, for instance) if given enough data, it is horrifying to think what would an algorithm trained on literally billions of users giving their whole life, conservations and behavior as training data be able to accomplish, given the task “here is everything about the user, what do I show to him to keep him on my platform?”.
I wager the answer is “tell him that it’s OK to be a facist and hate everything that scares you” for quite a lot of people.
That shit is super scary, because even if you know this is happening, the ML algo has hundreds of thousands of people like you and already had several years of feedback loop to figure out what will work on you (which, probably isn’t the same thing as for others, but something probably exists). And the only way how to avoid it is to never use any kind of personalized content - most importantly, personalized search.
And then you also have a lot of nation state threat actors who are actively using this to push an agenda. The world is fucked.
Seems quite accurate to me. A former friend who drifted into one of these right wing bubbles posted a poll from Germany where we‘re both based, that showed that around 80% of Germans would have voted for Harris and he claimed he doesn’t know a single one of them and that the poll is fake.
Of course the poll was relatively accurate and he is simply only exposed to these 10% of the population bubble of Trump fans but does not realize this.
This was proven true by every analysis of the ‘algorithms’ of social networks.
Capitalism is a cancer.
Hey, thanks for sharing this.
You said something that hits really close to home about one of my most important relationships — a relationship that is starting to experience value drift as they get sucked deep into social media.
I’ve been feeling like a conversation needs to happen, but haven’t had the ability to characterize my thoughts as well as I’d like. Your comment helped me a lot to get closer to what I’d like to express about it to them.
people are not dumb, they are desperate. they turn to fascism because “left” wing bullshit parties are offering nothing.
yeah, people are dumb. and if you are admiring fascists, so are you.
who is admiring fascists? are you not capable of reading?
also ironic because george carlin is exactly the type of status quo defeatist that let this happen.
person who creates false dichotomy fascism vs. “left wing bullshit party” and explains that the desperate people have indeed no other choice than to turn to fascism. that would be you.
of course. who else would be responsible than the stand-up comic 😂
if you dont analyze the root cayse of people turning to fascism, you will be forever voting blue as the climate disaster gets worse and worse, and the fascists are in power anyway. did i say george carlin was responsible for anything?
for you its sadly gonna be a meltdown in 4 years when you cant vote for your favorite blue fascist anymore. try starting with some reading comprehension and you might figure it out, then some history cause its repeating and you seem to be clueless.