Well, and he’d have to run an apology tour for all the fucking saber-rattling being done, including at our allies, FFS.
And bombing fishing boats. And kidnapping another world leader.
Can you imagine Dump trying to even read off the most mealy-mouthed of apologies? There’s no way I see him being able to finish even one sincere apology to one entity.
Ever see a narcissist cornered and people expecting an apology out of them? It’s not a pretty sight.
Ending a war, even one that he himself began, is still something that’s potentially “peace prize eligible.” I’m willing to give him a pat on the back if he actually does something right. He won’t though.
Feels like a bad faith argument. Obama probably shouldn’t have won a peace prize, most people agree with that. But he was not responsible for Iraq and Afghanistan the way that Trump directly caused the current conflict. While he continues to lie about it in the news every day.
How is he not? He personally supported drone strikes all over and even did more than the Bush admin. He is absolutely “responsible for Iraq and Afghanistan the way that Trump directly caused the current conflict.”, by every definition. He ran and won on ending the war on terror.
There were 52 drone strikes on Pakistan from 2004 through the end of Bush’s term in 2009, but in the subsequent five years, President Obama allegedly launched at least 316 drone strikes on Pakistan, at least 43 on Yemen and three on Somalia. (In the cases of Yemen and Somalia, Obama has not restricted himself to drones. His administration also launched an attack on Yemen in December 2009 that consisted of cruise missiles laden with cluster bombs that killed 41 civilians, including 12 women and 22 children.)
Where is the page about Trump announcing a withdrawal from Iran? When that page exists, maybe then you can call them equivalent. Until then, it’s a bad faith argument.
What the fuck are you talking about? This is almost, technically true, except that the arrests were politically motivated by corrupt authoritarian governments, and it’s not even technically true either, as neither the Center for Civil Liberties (2022) nor Nihon Hidankyo (2024) have any criminal background. The last few winners are (interpreting “few” as “four” to be generous):
2022:
Ales Bialiatski (Belarusian human rights activist who’s technically a “criminal” in the sense he was a prisoner of conscience by Belarus’ corrupt government who whipped up fraudulent charges of “tax evasion”)
Memorial (a Russian human rights org dedicated to studying human rights violations under Joseph Stalin; liquidated under Putin’s corrupt government via the repressive foreign agent law designed to stifle criticism)
Center for Civil Liberties (a Ukrainian human rights org that documented political persecution in Crimea and Russian war crimes)
2023: Narges Mohammadi (a human rights activist who’s been imprisoned multiple times by the IRGC for checks notes advocating for human rights within Iran’s backwards, oppressive regime)
2024: Nihon Hidankyo (Japanese lobbying organization dedicated to nuclear disarmament; truly a criminal organization)
2025: María Corina Machado (arrested by dictator Nicolás Maduro’s corrupt government in 2014 using forged emails to accuse her of a murder plot, then subject to an attempted arrest in 2025 after she went into then came out of hiding following Maduro’s falsification of the election results).
Machado is a right wing CIA plant that loves Isreal and Donald Trump. Maduro’s government was not corrupt and USA has used this lie as a cover for invading Venezuela and stealing their oil. Idk what you’re insinuating with this comment but that removed can fuck all the way off back to Norway or wherever she is now. “Peace” prize is a joke. Should be called American yuppie warmonger prize.
You mean people actively involved in war? Yeah. If you stopped the war tomorrow maybe you’d be eligible.
Well, and he’d have to run an apology tour for all the fucking saber-rattling being done, including at our allies, FFS.
And bombing fishing boats. And kidnapping another world leader.
Can you imagine Dump trying to even read off the most mealy-mouthed of apologies? There’s no way I see him being able to finish even one sincere apology to one entity.
Ever see a narcissist cornered and people expecting an apology out of them? It’s not a pretty sight.
Ending a war, even one that he himself began, is still something that’s potentially “peace prize eligible.” I’m willing to give him a pat on the back if he actually does something right. He won’t though.
How do you define actively involved in war?
We were actively involved in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan when President Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Feels like a bad faith argument. Obama probably shouldn’t have won a peace prize, most people agree with that. But he was not responsible for Iraq and Afghanistan the way that Trump directly caused the current conflict. While he continues to lie about it in the news every day.
Fine, but I didn’t say actively involved, you did.
If you meant to say “started a war”, you should have said that.
How is he not? He personally supported drone strikes all over and even did more than the Bush admin. He is absolutely “responsible for Iraq and Afghanistan the way that Trump directly caused the current conflict.”, by every definition. He ran and won on ending the war on terror.
https://www.citizen.org/news/terrors-of-u-s-drone-war-brought-to-light/
False equivalency. Not ending wars fast enough is not the same thing as Trump literally starting a war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2011–2016)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Iraq_(2007–2011)
Where is the page about Trump announcing a withdrawal from Iran? When that page exists, maybe then you can call them equivalent. Until then, it’s a bad faith argument.
He didn’t start it but he escalated from Bush. That was my only point, it’s equivalent in the unnecessary bloodshed.
Yeah, drone strikes. And why are those worse than artillery bombardments?
What?
The last few winners are all criminals
What the fuck are you talking about? This is almost, technically true, except that the arrests were politically motivated by corrupt authoritarian governments, and it’s not even technically true either, as neither the Center for Civil Liberties (2022) nor Nihon Hidankyo (2024) have any criminal background. The last few winners are (interpreting “few” as “four” to be generous):
The silence is deafening
Machado is a right wing CIA plant that loves Isreal and Donald Trump. Maduro’s government was not corrupt and USA has used this lie as a cover for invading Venezuela and stealing their oil. Idk what you’re insinuating with this comment but that removed can fuck all the way off back to Norway or wherever she is now. “Peace” prize is a joke. Should be called American yuppie warmonger prize.
You sure you aren’t thinking of the FIFA Peace Prize?
The latest winner was Machado who support bombing her country
So you’re saying Trump has a chance…