I posted this to the United Kingdom community here but for some reason it was deleted almost immediately. I’m not sure why as the mods haven’t said.
I somewhat agree with the “Zionism is racism” stance. Depending on how you define Zionism, it is very akin to white nationalism: You want to create a nation exclusively for one group of people, to the detriment of everyone else. We see the genocidal approach that has resulted from this dangerous viewpoint.
Could it be that in some world Zionism could be peaceful? Maybe, maybe not. That’s not the world we live in though.
I can see where the motion is coming from. That said, is it for us in the UK to say that a one-state solution is the correct one? I think that’s overstepping our boundaries.
Saying genocide is unacceptable would have been enough imo. Saying Zionism is bad I think is also reasonable. I’m not sure about solutionizing from afar.
Could it be that in some world Zionism could be peaceful? Maybe, maybe not.
It would really help to study the history of how and who brought about Zionism. It is maybe less racist but definitely coloniser ideology.
I’m not sure about solutionizing from afar.
Have to do something. Can’t wait for perfect thinking that the perfect will everyone back who got killed during that time. It’s a step in the right direction. Tsunamis are made of droplets.
That said, is it for us in the UK to say that a one-state solution is the correct one? I think that’s overstepping our boundaries.
We’re already overstepping our boundaries by arming Israel. That’s a much worse case of solutionizing from afar. It’s a rather final solution from afar.
This stance is one that says “This is morally wrong”. Supporting a one state solution is just saying “We think this is a good road to peace and will support all efforts to go this way”. It’s not a demand on anyone. I’m sure green party members will be happy to see anything that stops the killing.
I don’t really see what you’re wringing your hands over.
We’re already overstepping our boundaries by arming Israel
Well yes, as a country, we should be sanctioning Israel as a whole to put an end to that. To make it illegal to do such a thing, rather than just wagging our fingers.
Calling out a genocide where we see one and fully divesting from it is one thing.
I don’t think that necessarily gives us the go ahead to tell other countries how to resolve their problems. That, and I think the world is not really ready to hear this. We risk alienating people, even if we are right.
You might call me a coward, or a centrist or something, but I wonder if this was a smart move. There are some things I want us to have very clear policies on: environmantalism, support of LGTBQ people, being against genocide etc. I don’t want to cater to or placate Zionists. I just wonder if we overstretched here and may have shot ourselves in the foot around getting support from less informed or more moderate Greens.
Seems like that’s exactly what’s happening, to some extent: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/05/green-party-england-wales-zionism-racism-vote-europe-germany though the Greens in Germany are pretty far gone.
Labour’s new position on the issue has forced the Greens to shift left. Smart move by Labour.
This was going to happen long before labour did anything. It was going to be voted on online a few months ago, but the vote got fillibustered by people who opposed it.
Equates Zionists.with genocide.
FTFY
Good for them. About time someone spoke out.
I oppose genocide. I support the Green Party.
Yvette Cooper: Lock. Them. Up.
I will fly my Palestinian flag proudly on October 7th.
I think what the Israeli government has done to the Palestinians is despicable but I’ve got mixed feelings about this.
I suggest you spend the next couple of days really pondering about your true self and your deeper motivations if you’re having “mixed feelings” about a political ideology actively targeting and murdering children (with bombs and even snipers) because those children are in the very words of those ideologues, “vermin”.
Chamberlain, at least, had the excuse that his actions happened before the NAZIs actively started trying to exterminate people.
I’ve got mixed feelings about this.
Why is that? Israel is by definition an apartheid ethnostate and was always intended as such. It doesn’t get much more racist than that.
The problem is that there is more to the motion than its title, which is the same for most things, really. The problems with this motion include the insistence on a one state solution (against the expressed wishes of the Palestinian people) and a threat of wholesale proscription of Jewish communities.
I say this as a Green member - this motion overshadows really decent policy passed at this conference including two BDS motions. This is a highly controversial motion within the party and it was only carried over the line by entryists. 4/5 of our MPs opposed it as well as the leader and one of the deputy leaders.
If you want to understand things, you have to read past the headline. It’s the only way.
How do you imagine a two state solution working when one of those states is an ethnosupremacist theocracy? Are you just trying to delay any action being taken until every Palestinian has been cleansed, or do you believe an equal, multicultural Palestinian state is somehow discriminatory against Jews?
It’s simply not up to us as British people to decide whether Palestinians or indeed Israelis, should organise themselves this way or that way. It is clearly within our remit to forcefully denounce violence and discrimination and systems of oppression, but what the affected people choose to do is not for us to tell them.
It is for us to produce the economic and political pressure for Israel to submit to making necessary changes in the interest of peace and equality. The exact nature of those changes is no more our business than it was to preside over this region 80 years ago. If the Palestinian people hold a legitimate referendum and decide to pursue a single state, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. We have no business telling them that that should hold a referendum to produce that result.
It’s simply not up to us as British people to decide whether Palestinians or indeed Israelis, should organise themselves this way or that way.
I don’t know, you guys seemed pretty gung-ho about the idea while creating the state of Israel from Palestine.
It’s almost as if some of us are trying to learn from the past rather than endlessly repeating the same mistakes.
The problems with this motion include the insistence on a one state solution
Because only the most ignorant or naive think that being a separate nation protects anyone from the aggression of the West’s favorite fascist regime.
If you think being a neighboring country that isn’t aggressive towards Israel keeps you safe, you should have a word with someone from the Golan Heights or the part of Syria they RECENTLY started illegally occupying.
(against the expressed wishes of the Palestinian people)
Gonna need a source on that.
and a threat of wholesale proscription of Jewish communities.
That sounds like classic antisemitic conflating of Zionism and Jewdom, as well as ridiculous hyperbole. Specifics, please.
If you want to understand things, you have to read past the headline. It’s the only way.
I did. None of the things you claimed (other than 4/5 of the MPs being against it) were actually in the article afair from reading it last night.
As someone who hasn’t read the actual motion itself - sure, being a separate state doesn’t protect against Israel, but the issue seems to be that this motion insists on a one state solution.
Why?
Being a single state obviously doesn’t help. So what is the benefit? Why is it insisting on this?
this motion insists on a one state solution.
Why?
Because a single state that doesn’t discriminate based on religion and ethnicity IS the only solution that could possibly create lasting peace and justice.
As long as there’s a Jewish supremacist apartheid ethnostate on or next to their land, no Palestinian will be safe.
Being a single ethnostate with several ethnicities being oppressed by the dominant one obviously doesn’t help
Fixed it for you. Like South Africa before it, the solution is to overthrow the tyrannical apartheid system of government, not portioning out a tiny parcel of land next to it that the overlords will always scapegoat and vilify.
So what is the benefit? Why is it insisting on this?
See above.
what the Israeli government has done to the Palestinians is
despicableG E N O C I D EIt’s not
wrongmeanterribleregrettablebadthe word to use is G E N O C I D E.Just an FYI in case you want your butisms to be taken in good faith.
“Genocide” isn’t an adjective. Calling genocide despicable isn’t invalid.
The inner racist coming up?
