The impeachment process is broken. Its like a referee throwing a flag on the play against “the red team” and then asking “the red team” players if there was really a violation and if a penalty should be applied.
I mean, why not? They’re great at hollow showmanship that does nothing meaningful, it’s their bread and butter!
If anyone believes they actually will, I have a brand-new shiny perfect example of how we got here to begin with that I’ll sell for a reasonable sum.
I mean they already voted for impeachment twice
And remind me…. How’d that turn out?
The question is will they impeach him a third time, not will he be removed from office. You’re saying they won’t impeach him a third time. I think they will. To answer your question, nothing came of it. But that’s not the question the article is asking
So…. We’re asking wether or not a pointless and ineffective thing will, or will not happen- and just ignoring the entire point that wether it does or doesn’t- won’t matter in the least, but will cost a fuck ton of time, effort and taxpayer money for no good reason.
Do I understand this correctly?
I mean yeah that’s literally the question in the article
No, it’s not. It’s just asking the typical sensationalist copium bullshit. It doesn’t ask why they’re bothering since it’s meaningless.
No. They will not.
Hakeem is secretly meeting Kushner
AIPAC Dems are funding AIPAC Republicans over DSA candidates
Here is Tammy duckworth
https://youtu.be/Cm53m1L4Vas?is=tylEWtlOOoOuycnv
They won’t do anything and there will just be show trials with a new mueller/smith and a whole lot of “aww we just missed the margin for the vote, make sure you vote HARDER”
any democrat that isnt campaigning on 100% unfucking what Trump did, is a democrat in service to the republican agenda.
and its especially galling hearing someone like duckworth say shit like “well, we shouldnt be impeaching, and maybe we can kinda sorta maybe undo a fragment of what he did, perhaps by chance, because i think benefitting the american people means appeasing trump.”
Hate to say it, but there won’t be a candidate working for Team Defuck. Democrats capitulate. They are the Party of Bygones.
They can see how broken it is, but in their minds justifying not fixing it because of the effort it will take is easier than owning the problem and forming a solution.
i feel like the democrats used up the next 40 years of effort getting the Obamacare passed.
Who cares? He was already impeached twice and it literally had zero effect.
Just because Senate Republicans won’t convict didn’t mean the progressives and Democrats shouldn’t still impeachment and make a solid effort to hold Republicans accountable in manner that idiot America can understand.
Yep agreed
Did they understand the previous two times?
If we don’t come down hard on these clowns, we are gonna be up to our balls in jugglers!
(And they can forget about the general if they don’t put the hammer down after midterms)
They should, but they won’t.
They already did twice. What do you want?
How’d that work out?
We’ll the first impeachment you had four centrists that voted against impeachment in various ways and had one centrist not only vote against it, they also switched to the Republican party.
So…. Not well.
The republicans refused to convict, twice. Democrats tried twice and it didn’t work. They will do it again and the senate will still not convict.
I’m really confused by the reasoning here and why people act like I’m saying something wrong. It’s almost like the democrats have to be punished extra because of the republicans being unwilling to hold trump to account.
The point is, impeachment doesn’t do shit. No one will convict him. How much proof do you need to finally come to terms with the fact that he and his foreign handlers fucking own America.
It’s over dude. There wil be no reckoning. He will never face justice. Just accept it.
I have always believed that there will be no justice. The question was about whether democrats would impeach and that has been the only thing i have responded to.
It doesn’t really matter. There’s your answer.
You’re projecting your nihilism something fierce and genuinely being a dick to others because of how you feel right this moment.
Meaningful consequences
Then you want to talk to the Republicans. Because unless the Senate goes like 60% Democrat and the coalition votes to convict, there’s nothing they can do to secure a conviction.
Yeah… There is so much more they could do (which I mentioned).
But the whole campaign strategy is to court MAGAs and conservatives while pissing on the progressive left. This means that they won’t do anything. They are also all AIPAC so, they won’t do it because of that either.
They could hold up procedures and other government functions in protest, (like tooberville did with military promotions), they don’t ever do anything.
Can we also impeach and remove Vance too?
The entire Terrorist Party needs to be dismantled. Anything short of this is a total failure of democrats and the concept of democracy.
They should, just because that’s the tool they’re explicitly supposed to use to curb an of of control executive, but I also don’t particularly care about them doing it. It’s a box to check and a media spectacle to give them an opportunity to highlight the abuses, which they’ll probably flub, but it’s also not particularly important.
What I want from a Democratic Congress is them to say “no” on everything, pass good governance laws he’ll have to veto, and to use congressional subpoenas to compel testimony to put all the crimes and corruption and inhumanity on the record. Because I don’t think there’s a way to meaningfully provide justice in the next two years, but I want bringing them to justice in two years to be the driving goal.
Oh, and zero out funding for ICE and the CBP. Let them coast on the giant pile of money the Republicans gave them. Not one cent more from Democrats. That’s a message that will motivate me. Not more promises of performance.
Message to Democrats: You better, that’s what everyone is voting D for. Stop the madness, put safeguards in place to keep this from happening again.
put safeguards in place to keep this from happening again.
What safeguards will work against decades of oligarch-controlled media putting out fascist propaganda? What safeguards can Democrats put in with a mere majority when it takes a supermajority to make real changes?
Most importantly, and I hate to say it: What would Democrats do even if they had a su permajority when establishment Democrats are content to suck at the teat of the oligarchs?
While it’s worth the effort to elect Democrats, even establishment ones, because on economic issues they won’t help us much, on the issue of human rights in particular, there is a huge difference between the fascists and the establishment Democrats (and if that does’nt sound right, go read up on Christian nationalism and pay more fucking attention).
But even the bluest of blue waves is not going to help much on most fronts. But it will help on some fronts.
They have to. Sure political fuckery and cowardice would likely derail their effort, but it’s a moral imperative. To those who say, ‘it’s pointless look what happened last two times’ look what’s currently happenening because Dems were too weak to fight and let his crimes slide.
I think the issue the last times was that Democrats took Omar’s advice too closely – “If you come at the King, you’d best not miss”, so they tried to focus their efforts on particular things they thought they could build a compelling story about: the Ukraine/Russia stuff in the first impeachment, and Jan 6 in the second. They didn’t fathom how Republicans would just ignore it all.
I used to be in the camp that if given a House majority, Democrats shouldn’t go there again. But I’ve changed my mind. They should definitely go there but this time put it all in. Every single thing that we all shook our heads and said “They wouldn’t have let anyone else getaway with it”. Send over 150 counts individually cited, with receipts.
If nothing else, if Republicans are in charge and summarily dismiss it, all the crazy shit they let him get away with will be on the record. And, if somehow Democrats gain control of the Senate, too, I’m sure Chuck (or whoever else is running things) will have no problem forcing a vote on each charge individually. Call it "Infrastructure Month " in the Senate…
Do a separate impeachment for each thing individually and gridlock Congress for two years.
Why ask? I mean, they already did a few days ago.
Per your article:
The latest attempt, by Rep. Al Green (D-Texas), garnered 147 votes to advance the measure, all from Democrats, in a vote earlier this month.
Eighteen Democrats joined Republicans in voting to table the articles, including some of the most conservative Democrats in the caucus like Representatives Jared Golden (D-Maine) and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez — who have also twice broken with their caucus to help buoy Republican priorities in recent weeks. Another 46 Democrats voted “present,” including House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-New York).
Per your comment: How does that answer shit?
You asked if Dems would do X, they already have, multiple times. Would you be surprised if they did it AGAIN?
Are you so confused as to whether the party that has impeached Trump twice and filed articles more than that, who HAS PRESENTLY FILED IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES…
Is it that you can’t imagine they would (checks notes) do just what they are currently doing… AGAIN?
The smarter question is what will republicans do? Of course there’s ample evidence of that as well. Plenty of evidence all around of what sides folks fall on. So I’m confused why you seem so ignorant of what happens next? What’s your real question?
You also believe pro wrestlers have real beef with each other, don’t you?
I believe if you are considering this with all the weight of pro wrestling… then you should do yourself a favor and stop posting. Your beliefs aren’t worth the effort. Hearing them isn’t either.
You imply keyfab but you’re not allowing otherwise. Dems are doomed if they do (they already have yet you call bs) and doomed if they don’t (you call bs).
Maybe you cannot understand, and maybe mean to say “I don’t believe Dems will do anything meaningful”. Thats valid, but instead you make us suffer your stupid posts full of worthless ignorant questions?
Will they? Won’t they? You know you don’t care and will call them shitty no matter what.
This is all a waste of your hot air. Noise. Pollution. Stupidity you cannot seem to contain.
I’m happy just to see how many impeachment tallies Trump can rack up, because I can’t think of anyone else more deserving of being the most impeached president.
But it’s a useless gesture, because you don’t need just a majority to remove the president from office, you need a supermajority. And that’s just not happening unless Trump manages to piss off the majority of Republicans, too.
I can’t think of anyone else more deserving of being launched into the fucking sun.
Considering that the Senate failed to convict him when he attempted to stoke a coup, I have little hope for an impeachment to anything but another one for the pile.
They didn’t fail to convict him twice, they refused to convict him twice. And that is an important distinction to make.
Impeachment is pointless. The question is whether the Senate will vote to remove him
He needs to be tried for treason- and punished accordingly. And then his remains need to be punished for raping children and launched into the fucking sun.
And every single mother-fucker that worked hard to circle wagons around his cowardly pathetic gelatinous ass need to go down with that ship.
For that to happen, the Senate has to vote to remove him.
