Even State Department-funded Human Rights Watch admits that authorities combine legal and illegal methods to obtain convictions: https://text.hrw.org/report/2018/01/09/dark-side/secret-origins-evidence-us-criminal-cases
Combining dragnet surveillance with device hacking is intended in the design of both tools. Hence, State Department-funded Signal dupes you into handing over your identity as part of the population-centric mapping. In custody, your phone will be hacked when it is taken away if it’s important.
https://xcancel.com/hannahcrileyy/status/2034273723667161480#m
This is total alarmist misinformation. The “evidence of terrorism” was not “using Signal” or “carrying a first aid kit”, it was taking part in an armed assault on an immigration facility where a dozen people set off fireworks and shot a police officer with an AR-15.
The prosecution used the presence of the first aid kit they carried during their armed assault, along with actual messages (not metadata) from a Signal chat to make the case that the attackers planned on using violence.
There are a lot of problems with this case, IMO the most dangerous part here is that adds legitimacy the (false) idea that “antifa” is an organization that exists. Something the Trump administration has been struggling to prove. This X post takes small details out of context.
Don’t trust anything ever posted to X. Especially something that discourages the use of private messaging apps.
I highly recommend everyone report this this post to your admins and strongly recommend all instance admins ban/warn accounts like OP. If we want the fediverse to catch on it needs to be more factual, not knee jer.
How did they get the actual messages? Signal chats and groups are supposed to be encrypted. I’m curious.
Most likely had someone in the group chat (opsec issue) or captured a phone and made the owner open it.
https://xkcd.com/538/
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Insane bullshit.
I have a kit with me every day of my life, and I’ve had to refill it many times due to using it on others.
It would be pure coincidence that I happen to be carrying a first aid kit on any given day, and if I’m going to a peaceful protest I’m bringing my trauma kit because the entire fucking world knows how cops treat protesters.
If you were ever in such a situation, I’m sure your lawyer would present the fact that you always have a first aid kit with you to challenge it’s relevance. People who know you could be brought in to testify as such.
On the other hand, if you don’t generally carry a first aid kit but brought one to the protest alongside the other listed items, it does seem indicative of intent.
There was just a news story that Denmark was (among other activities) stocking up on blood supplies in Greenland. That’s not an unusual thing for a military to do, but it’s pretty obvious that they were preparing to fight US forces. That’s obviously not a crime, but the logical connections to intent are similar.
I agree that bringing a first aid kit to a peaceful protest is not evidence that someone is planning violence.
I disagree that bringing a first aid kit along with explosives and assault weapons to a planned confrontation is evidence someone was attending a peaceful protest.
You completely dodged the actual question. Is a first aid kit evidence of planned terrorism?
I’m saying by focusing on the irrelevant first aid kit you are playing into the hands of those who seek to discourage the use of private messaging apps.
I agree. You are the one that made specific comments about what carrying a first aid kit means for evidence that are completely irrelevant to the trial.
you agree it’s a distraction but continue to bring it up 🤔
At this point you’re just trolling 🙄
Depends on context. Is a fire extinguisher evidence of planned arson? Depends, was it just sitting there on its own or was it found next to a pile of fire accelerant, a box of matches, the blueprints to the nearby currently burning building, and a piece of paper with “Arson Plan” written on the top and “don’t forget fire extinguisher, just in case!” scrawled on the side? Obviously this is hyperbole, but I think my point is equally obvious.
They didn’t dodge anything. They answered your question quite clearly. The answer is context matters.
A first aid kit alone is not proof of that. The commentor did not claim that nor did the prosecution of the case. When taken in context with the other evidence and the actual actions they were able to use it as supporting evidence.
Now in my opinion their actions were based, but obviously illegal. If I were on the jury I would have let them walk, but that’s all beside the point.
The fact that anyone is even debating the (completely irrelevant) first aid kit means the disinformation campaign is working.
Shockingly I can proccess more than one view at a time. While I thought the first aid kit discussion was interesting I’m still aware of other factors of the case, I’m still aware that Trump is a child rapist, and I’m still aware that we are invading Iran.
Discussing something isn’t falling for a “disinformation campaign”.
Continuously steering a conversation away from the big important facts and towards irrelevant details is called “flooding the zone with shit” which yes, is a type of disinformation campaign.
And it only works if regular people take the bait.
No it doesn’t
I don’t think it was a question, really
Thing is that there are actual privacy respecting messaging apps like SimpleX Chat. Signal isn’t one of them. It’s run by people associated with US intelligence, it’s hosted on a single server based in the US, and it actively harvests phone numbers. It’s incredible that people look at this and still claim it’s a private messaging app.
Thank you for this.
Police raised their gun first.
That doesn’t change what they planned to do before that happened.
IDK why it is alarmist misinformation to point out that the people doing this have the strongest spyware/phone cracking tools in the world, information about who owns phone numbers, access to AWS (a US military contractor currently being affected by a not insignificant missile-induced service outages), access to Firebase and Apple Websocket (latter has poor encryption and I have heard the former is also insecure), and the ability to physically bring you into custody, then lie about how they got all of these elements together in whatever order to get you behind bars. But of course the idea of actually doing something about the gestapo in your country just fills you with indignation apparently.
X is actually the only place that you can still hear from a lot of people, like Julie K Brown a Miami Herald journalist writing about Jeffrey Epstein’s associates and their victims, thousands of foreign journalists. That probably isn’t important to you since it isn’t about Star Trek and toys. I get all of the posts through a server called RSSHub combined with numerous other websites (like this one), which are piped directly into an actually secure messaging service. I encourage any admins to get my posts hidden from their entire instance. Don’t let your users come into my mentions! I wish that blocking instances actually WORKED. 💀
It’s alarmist to say that a jury decided using Signal is evidence of terrorism
Do you think they won’t do the same to my favorite apps?
CIA-funded outlet The Intercept here points out the CIA considers Signal software for terrorists and later recommended “highly-targeted individuals” use it (these are both endorsements to different audiences). Since e2ee software is viewed as a threat, how should we take the US govt singling out Signal for endorsement like this? Is the CIA being nice and helpful? https://web.archive.org/theintercept.com/2025/03/25/signal-chat-encryption-hegseth-cia/