• Lena@sopuli.xyz
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    2 days ago

    Good. Slavery, forced work and stripping people off bodily autonomy is not a European value, and people who are forcing authoritarianism down our throats are no different than Putin supporters. I will fight for values, not for the flag and a song, and if Europe loses its course, its no longer worth defending.

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      1 day ago

      So, assume the Ukranian people had all followed that principle. What would their daily lives look like now?

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        Well, all the men (like half a million of them?) who were involuntarily conscripted, kidnapped from their homes, tortured to comply and killed in action would prefer to be alive.

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          23 hours ago

          Alright. So in principle, the whole world should bow to the one head of state that is bound to exist somewhere that does not subscribe to these high ideals. Got it.

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            But…not forcing men to fight, doesn’t mean that there’s no army? I’m confused.

            But anyway, if your country is attacked, but nobody (or too few) want to defend it voluntarily…maybe, that is kind of a vote with the feet, that either your odds are very bad anyways or that people rather chose to live in occupation and deem it less bad than fighting and dying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      2 days ago

      You say you are fighting for values, but if you’re not fighting for the nation or the union of nations that represent those values, it’s just empty rhetoric

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        What values? Genuinely. Which nation or union of nations is upholding good values? Germany? If you protest against genocide there, you will be beaten and jailed by the same government that wants to send you to die in Russia (again).

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        2 days ago

        That’s one way to say, “the nation-state must be part of your identity”. I’m not into fighting wars for the wealthy.

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        2 days ago

        It’s a conundrum, isn’t it? If one of my values is “people should not be involuntarily drafted into the army”, what to do then?

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      2 days ago

      People who call military service “slavery” are in the same category as those who say “taxes are theft”.