That functionality (first necessary, then required by guidelines, then expected, and then still usual) disciplined UI designers to make things doable in a clear sequence of actions.

Now they think any ape can make a UI if it knows the new shiny buzzwords like “material design” or “air” or whatever. And they do! Except humans can’t use those UIs.

BTW, about their “air”. One can look at ancient UI paradigms, specifically SunView, OpenLook and Motif (I’m currently excited about Sun history again), Windows 3.*, and also Win9x (with WinXP being more or less inside the same paradigm). And one can see that of these only Motif had anything resembling their “air”. And Motif is generally considered clunky and less usable than the rest of the mentioned (I personally consider OpenLook the best), but compared to modern UIs even Motif does that “air” part the way it seems to make some sense, and feels less clunky, making me wonder how is that even possible.

FFS, modern UI designers don’t even think it’s necessary to clearly and consistently separate buttons and links from text.

And also - freedom in Web and UI design has proven to be a mistake. UIs should be native. Web browsers should display pages adaptively (we have such and such blocks of text and such and such links), their appearance should be decided on the client and be native too, except pictures. Gemini is the right way to go for the Web.

No shit.

Identity politics - when it was a good thing - were an idea that you can be anyone you want and nobody has the right to tell you what to be. It can be described as a raw diamond.

Leftists organized it and put it into uniform, but while everybody remembered it is a good thing in its essence, everybody would support that (or fight only the ordered and neutered version, not identity politics in general). Also other leftists, not trying to do that, still wouldn’t understand the implications of that kind of change.

Now the difference simply can’t be ignored.

It’s a flaw of leftist ideologies - classifying everybody into groups with group interests. Reality is very easy to describe this way, a bit like what Russian school history student books are. However, such descriptions are useless. They don’t allow you to synthesize anything. Just to say “that grew there”.

Good methods allow predictions, while this one allows only describing the past.

TLDR identity politics is a thing in itself now

But being a contrarian under the guise as a free thinker then burying your head in the sand is the reason we’re in the mess we’re in.

This sentence doesn’t make any sense. In a discussion all sides are equally contrarian.

When you get downvoted on some of your future posts and wonder why not many reply or interact with you dont get pissed off when others like myself use the data to be informed. You make a lot of generalizations and excuses for something that has been a vital part of the internet for decades.

This also doesn’t make sense ; any person providing a useful answer would read the comment itself and not trust crowd vote.

You get likes for dumb shit. You get dislikes for angry dumb shit. You get a lot of likes for dangerous vile dumb shit.

What you get a lot of dislikes for is nuance and something that could sober the crowd up if they listened. Possibly dumb shit too, but correctly positioned to irritate the comfort of dangerous vile dumb shit.

This “ape behavior” is called having an opinion without needing to state that you have an opinion all the time.

No, opinions can only be expressed in a friendly conversation. Opinions are a systems of thought with all the accompanying context. You can’t possibly express an opinion while fighting someone.

Let the numbers speak for themselves.

I’ve just described what they say.

EDIT: BTW, about instincts - I’ve just turned off scores on Lemmy. You should try that, you’ll feel that you unexpectedly need to have your own opinion, very often - which means that with scores displayed you would not think.

people actually challenged eachothers views (mostly) constructively

No, like I said, it’s an illusion among Redditors.

Upvoting, downvoting,

Both actively harmful due to the way human brains are wired. Putting pressure onto people actually having a spine, and provoking ape behavior from the rest.

Until one day spez and all the reddit mods decided to let their platform eat shit.

It wasn’t one day. Soft censorship in favor of China and Democratic party and what not became a thing much earlier.

There were places that circlejerked, no doubt about it, but what everyone fails to realize is that reddit was a place for pretty much everyone. So if you thought that subreddit was a circlejerk, feel free to join or make a different one. Like open source software getting forked.

They all very circlejerks of some kind. The paradigm works this way.

All these different social medias want us to be trapped in some sort of bubble through the illusion of choice. The short character limit is also what causes these sites to always be inferior to places like reddit and lemmy whether they like it or not. No one has a chance to fully expand on what they actually think or cite sources instead of being blasted immediately after their first post by getting blocked, cancelled, or moderated to oblivion.

Length of text and softness of moderation are good, but do not change the fact that any fool can write a long elaborate smart-looking text, that has nothing to do with honest discussion.

Everything made by sufficiently big orgs works like this.

They care about ability to be do everything by themselves and easily.

They don’t care about sanity of the system for the user, because there are crowds of users, what are they going to do, barter?

And the worst part is where the biggest org of all these, the government, makes requirements that can only be fulfilled by big orgs.

You can’t win playing by the rules your opponent sets. EDIT: Unless they do some sort of Ulysses’ pact, but they won’t.

I always liked reddit better since people actually discussed real things.

People on Reddit do circlejerks about their feeling of “actually discussing real things”, except it’s only a feeling.

It’s a bit like with printed media in societies that saw rapid growth of literacy, people literate in the first generation would trust anything printed as if it were solid fact. And many people still trust anything printed and kinda official as if it were fact and think that being critical of that is backwards and worth irony. It’s really impossible to talk to such.

In this case - the Web has mostly moved to formats disadvantaging any exchange of normal texts, and things like Reddit (or Lemmy) seem, for people not used to that, automatically better for nuanced opinions. They are not.

Just like you can print any text, My Struggle and Elders of Sion and The Capital included, you can make any bullshit look appealing on Reddit with sufficiently eloquent or smart-looking text.

FFS, people actually reading books and writing something knew this since before Gutenberg. How did we even come to this miserable situation.

Almost the same.

Why in the world did Sun make such business decisions that it killed itself?

FFS, instead of open sourcing this and that, and banking on high-end servers, they could have at least tried at desktops.

If anybody remembers what Sun’s perception was in 2003, they could have been selling desktop machines for Apple prices and nobody would bat an eye.

If Sun were still alive, this wouldn’t happen. I think.

EDIT:

LOL, I’ve just stumbled upon another Bill Joy’s interview where he too says that Sun should have gone the consumer way as a priority.

Just imagine having a Solaris PC in year 2024, that is, now. ZFS with snapshots, Zones, and as easy to maintain as OpenBSD while insanely functional. Probably SPARC hardware without Intel bullshit.

And I like to think that Java applets would still be a thing, instead of HTML5 and stuff, with security problems solved and a more elegant Web.

we can all see you defending child porn.

that’s also my words:

And even more that you really can’t comprehend that someone would argue hard in defense of someone else.

your arguments are trash, so fool blocked

I never said russians were more or less infantile than any other group of people. I said your inability to treat russian like adults who are responsible for their actions (“they’ve never seen democracy”, “the west has backed Yeltsin since 1993”) is an infantilization of russian society. Is this not true?

No, it’s my opinion of the humanity as a whole. My experience shows it’s infantile. There’s no moral principle obligating us to believe in something not confirmed with experience.

What do you mean by “bad things are coming”? Can you be clear and specific and not beat around the bush? Because it sounds like you haven’t actually lived in russia and you have no idea what you’re talking about.

I thought you meant “Куклы” and such.

Thank you for proving my point about broad support for imperialism among russian society.

Right of self-determination is anti-imperialist. If the conflict were between Ukraine’s constitution and that right, Ukraine would be imperialist. It’s just not.

But hypothetically, if they ever want to, they have that right. And if you want to make the world better, there’s no use denying it. Especially since no region possibly votes in favor of voluntarily splitting from Ukraine in proximity of Russia, not after this war. I mean, it’s a clearly hypothetical question since they are occupied.

And who is ultimately responsible for the said [russian political] structure right now?

I’ve already said that responsibility is proportional to input in a decision, right?

So first and foremost people on top of it, diplomats, special services workers, intelligence workers, high-ranking military people.

Then those whose input is a bit less.

Other than that, I guess one can differentiate by how someone voted in their life.

You’re infantilizating the russian population. Political satirical TV shows in the 90s (remember this was before the internet) easily rivaled what you would see even on current US TV. Yet most russians were happy to accept a clampdown on independent TV and reelected putin in 2004 (generally considered a free and fair election). And they were OK with the comical medvedev seat warming exercise in 2008, not to mention putin’s formal return in 2012.

This whole paragraph does not contradict what I said, but your tone seems to suggest it does.

Also those satirical TV shows were all basically crying wildly that bad things are coming. Said bad things came. So?

Anyway, this doesn’t make the Russian population any more or less infantile than the Ukrainian population.

The russians would never back any political force that would reject imperialism or even acknowledge russian crimes. Even the alleged “opposition” in the form of Navalniy’s gang is deeply committed to imperialism.

That political force was dissolved after its key figures were murdered or ridiculed on TV 24/7 in the late 90s and early 00s. It definitely existed.

Also Navalny’s ideas have changed a lot over time. If you are referring to his “Crimea is not a sandwich” statement, it’s just correct - international law has such a thing as right of self-determination, regardless of what Ukrainian laws say. The fact of military aggression doesn’t negate that right.

This is a non-sequitur. The ultimate responsibility for the state of russian politics lies on the russians themselves.

My cousins’ father is from Artsakh, Ukrainian politicians congratulated Azeris with their crimes. I couldn’t care less what Ukrainians have to say on responsibility after that. Try following your own declared principles first. Otherwise it’s not even funny.

It’s about the choices they make. There is nothing inherent to russian society/culture that would justify such a state of affairs.

People are responsible to the degree the structure of power is affected by their choices. Said structure right now is affected negligibly by most of the Russian population.

The said regime is also happens to be backed nearly universally by the russian population and is the core source of its power.

No it’s not. I don’t think you have even been to Russia.

There is a sizeable proportion of population not yet penetrated by the whole idea of democracy, but those would back any “current” regime.

The “west is to blame” narrative is typical russian victim-hood polemics.

In real life everybody is to blame, it’s just a question of proportions.

IMHO they might be just making a threat this way. Kremlin folks think that’s the way diplomacy works. See, we’ve launched a missile that can be used to send nukes. That’s our very subtle and diplomatic warning. We both understand what that means, yes? Let’s look very smart and diplomatic.

They may think that looks cool.

Russia has that black poop from the ground which is a valuable enough resource to be bought by someone for something .

It goes bankrupt if suddenly oil consumption drops 3 times. Or something like that. But not immediately even then, because it has reserves.

EU and NATO are not interested in Russia imploding. They are showing very clearly that their intention is to softly bleed it so that it wouldn’t be too aggressive, but also to preserve its current regime, because that regime is convenient.

It’s just the sad truth.

As to why Western countries always supported said regime, since Yeltsin usurping power in 1993, - I just don’t know.

Gorilla pain, gorilla bleed, but big gorilla strong, big gorilla stronger than wrong gorilla, big gorilla kill wrong gorilla if big gorilla strong.

Trump combined with people who made him president doesn’t have the weaknesses Trump taken alone has, that includes his narcissism.

Zelensky had a dubious, but real chance to have a better deal to (maybe temporarily, but time works in favor of the countries having access to Western weaponry, not their enemies) end the war. That was like a year+ ago. Also at that point Ukraine’s losses could be called justifiable.

Frankly I don’t think that mostly successfully defending against a 3+ times stronger enemy is something that can’t be turned into a success by propaganda. There’s nothing more to be achieved until demographic tendencies are reverted and people from front lines return into workforce.

And Ukraine joining NATO just didn’t ever seem likely.

Deepfakes are, however the top-level comment I was answering was not limited to deepfakes. And as my further discussion with its author shows, they too didn’t mean only deepfakes.

Their opinion was that any kind of pornography portraying children, even if it’s not shared with others and not based on pics of real people, should be prosecuted just like making real child pornography.

You know, this thread has once again reinforced me in my opinion that the best system of government is Aspie Reich. Only people with Aspergers should be allowed to make laws and judge and hold public posts. The rest of fucking chimps just don’t have what it takes to override their chimp instincts.

I said “defamation”. If you are not capable of reading, that’s not my fault.

That’s why I’m ancap, you can’t deal with such chimp crowds without private tanks.

This is not a legal text, you little cheat.

This is a sentence in natural language, want me to start asking such questions about everything you write?

If you make a deepfake of someone and share it, then it’s defamation. Taking a picture voluntarily shared and editing it is not a crime.