The Octonaut

Instantly?

Hospitals, telecoms, schools, universities, research labs the world over would be left without security updates or tech support. Businesses would crash out, access to everything from Sharepoint to Outlook to Entra ID SSO cut off rendering tens of millions unable to work and likely furloughed or redundant.

Enjoy your accelerationist fantasies if you like, daring to assume that the void would be filled by fucking Linux Mint or something and not literally just Apple. But the idea that it would be instant is even more unhinged than the average .ml stammering about the misunderstood virtues of Russian anti-Imperialism.

You are experiencing fear-based psychosis. Please seek professional help before it’s too late and you hurt yourself or a loved one.

If you’re trying to prove that I can indeed feel cringe, keep going, you’re almost there

All code uploaded to Github is scraped

This is the very simple statement that I was responding to, along with the next line about how using Github is implicit consent to feeding your data to an LLM. If the poster wants nuance, they are free to provide it themselves. You can see in subsequent responses there is none.

Of course them being different matters. That’s my point. Not all code uploaded to Github is being fed into an LLM. It is not consent if you are signing a contract demanding that something not be done. It’s preposterous even at a surface level.

Github Enterprise Server is different from Github Enterprise Cloud, which is what I was talking about, and which is explicitly not used for training LLMs, and if it were, would absolutely kill Github as a product and likely mire Microsoft in years of litigation.

Frankly I don’t know of any software company using Github Enterprise on-prem but I suppose there are probably some CEOs out there who haven’t taken the OpEx pill. Maybe deep in the rainforest with Mokele-Mbembe. Certainly in my sliver of the tech industry, telecoms, the idea of owning a server is akin to having a deskphone and an outgoing mail room.

Sure. Any day now.

Being embarrassed by association with people who say things like “all code uploaded to Github is subject to being scraped” might be childish. Not sure it’s as childish as being embarrassed by “cringe” though. That would imply I care about your opinion on my communication. I don’t.

I do care that you understand that a half dozen people in this thread are actively outing themselves as completely ignorant about the real world of software development and the software industry in general. Probably not surprising given the words “Gentoo” and “Codeberg” in the title of the post.

A company that pays Microsoft to host code and would join the suit that would bury them if they used proprietary code to train models in breach of paid contracts?

All of the responses are saying that Github reads all code. Github public and Github enterprise are products of the same organisation. Many are even saying they will consume enterprise data anyway despite contracts not to. As I said in my first response, there aren’t many things that would ruin Microsoft’s ability to operate but this is one.

What vibes do you think I’m going off?

Source: I’m employed

“Gullible” is not a thing you can be when somehow has signed a contract with you… that’s why contracts exist.

You aren’t paying enterprise subscriptions to use Facebook, and as bad as they are, Microsoft are not Meta.

It’s in every enterprise and business contract signed with them. The FAQ was just the first result on Google. Its obviousness shouldn’t even require that much. It’s extremely clear how few of Lemmy’s “technology” crowd have any contact with adult life.

No, it isn’t.

“Basically” your vibes aren’t an actual answer. Businesses are not forking over millions to give away their code.

You can have conspiracy theories about it using the code anyway (I’m particularly confused about your use of the word “scrape” which tells me you don’t know how AI training works, how hosting a website works, or how scraping works - maybe all three?) but surreptitiously using its competitors’ code to train CoPilot would be a rare existential threat to Microsoft itself.

Does GitHub use Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train GitHub’s model?

No. GitHub does not use either Copilot Business or Enterprise data to train its models.

https://github.com/features/copilot#faq

There is only strength in numbers (as a defence, which is what you’re positing) if everyone is informed of the consequences of their actions. If they are not, they can blame you for misleading them.

People aren’t doubting the virtue of your intent but you are speaking very confidently incorrectly about legal matters which doesn’t help your overall appeal.

Eh. Not sure native shrubbery would be the best choice in this particular situation.

It will probably be 80% dandelions and clover in a few years though.